Discussion:
Wilson's plan to to cast Northern Ireland adrift.
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Feck all sassanaigh
2008-09-13 21:55:08 UTC
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The 1974 "doomsday document". Prime Minister Harold Wilson considered
cutting all constitutional ties with Northern Ireland and turning it into an
independent dominion territory.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/rams/document.ram
"I think our state was more at risk then than at any time since our
formation". Garret Fitzgerald. "It would have been civil war - no doubt."
Glen Barr.
--
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
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Garret's use of "Our State" is a joke term and only used as identity
by greedy corrupt business class types who are really west-brits and
in the pockets of scandalous bankers. Whilst somewhat economically
viable in recent times, this "state" is nearly as corrupt a failed
political entity (e.g. Tribunals, Banking scandals, Garda coruption,
collapsing health care etc) as the wee 6 statelet. When did you ever
hear an Irishman roar on a team with "up the Free State/Eire/
Republic". Only Ireland exists in the hearts and minds. Had Wilson
pursued withdrawal the nationalist population in West Belfast in
particular would have suffered even more murders by RUC/UDA/UVF.
However the resultant international outcry and re-arming by the Irish
diaspora would in turn lead to slaughter of the oppressors. Tensions
in British cities would also have spilled over into mayhem (e.g.
Glasgow, Liverpool). Resultant deaths would have exceeded by many
times the 3,000 unfortunate losses that occurred after 1974. By this
benchmark it is just as well that Jim Callaghan prevailed upon him to
ditch the project. Where Wilson failed badly was to defer with a
definitive orderly timescale the withdrawal to allow the "spongers"
focus their minds..

Supremacism not sectarianism was at the heart of the conflict. When
the "spongers" as Wilson correctly called them realise that the Crown
is less happy to give them Half-Crowns then proper dismantling of
supremacism will finally occur.
f***@yahoo.co.uk
2008-09-14 03:37:23 UTC
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The 1974 "doomsday document". Prime Minister Harold Wilson considered
cutting all constitutional ties with Northern Ireland and turning it into an
independent dominion territory.
Fucking great idea! Should have got rid of the bastards back then.
Now Wilson goes up even higher in my opinion.
Feck all sassanaigh
2008-09-16 12:27:47 UTC
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The 1974 "doomsday document". Prime Minister Harold Wilson considered
cutting all constitutional ties with Northern Ireland and turning it into an
independent dominion territory.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/rams/document.ram
"I think our state was more at risk then than at any time since our
formation". Garret Fitzgerald. "It would have been civil war - no doubt."
Glen Barr.
--
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
------------------------------
Garret FitzGerald.
Another who had his debts written off by the Bank.
After he lost a quarter of a million in the Ryanair flotation.
But do you see people queuing up to villfy dear Garret - oh not at all.
M.
Is that true, he he get a de facto bung?
http://www.rte.ie/news/1999/0217/fitzgerald.html
--
'Donegal:  Up Here It's Different'
© Féachadóir- Hide quoted text -
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Thank you
How much did Thatcher pay Garret Fitzgerald (we know that he loved
property, money and shares)  to regard fellow oppressed Irishmen and
Irishwomen as being "citizens" of Britain?  Was he on the brink of
agreeing with Maggie to require Irish people confined within the
internment/concentration camps of the wee 6 statelet to wear little
green shamrock symbols stitched into their pygamas?  Fine fellow
indeed.."Our State"!  Even Collins regarded it with utter disdain...
Quisling comes to mind..
However the great wheel of justice will make her travel; she will
convince the *ngurlangers to ply should they be stupid enough all
exploitative economic slavery somewhere else (it is unlikely that her
parasitic ministers know any other call) or to consider the costs of a
mistake in this judgment.  Should Betty Windsor make one more bad call
- all gloves are off.
Feck- Hide quoted text -
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Economic slavery of Northern Ireland, are you joking? It's the most
welfare dependant country in the UK and one tat the English would drop
at a shot. The Republic of Ireland are welcome to take over funding
their public sector economy through increased taxation. But don't
worry the government in waiting will be scrapping the Barnet Bribe,
but then they are closet English Nationalists. That combined with
English votes for English laws will push Scotland out of the Union.- Hide quoted text -
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I agree with almost every word spoken above save for taking "economic
slavery" out of context. The "spongers" loved the status quo; high
public sector remuneration and they gladly sipped the Half-Crown from
the Crown to create a basket case economy but little did they care as
long as Betty Windsor's mob footed the bill. The slaves were the poor
bastards deemed inadmissable on grounds of religion from this leech/
piranah pool. "Union" is a total f*cking oxymoron.....
Fredrick
2008-09-27 00:30:55 UTC
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Post by Feck all sassanaigh
The 1974 "doomsday document". Prime Minister Harold Wilson considered
cutting all constitutional ties with Northern Ireland and turning it into an
independent dominion territory.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/rams/document.ram
"I think our state was more at risk then than at any time since our
formation". Garret Fitzgerald. "It would have been civil war - no doubt."
Glen Barr.
--
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
------------------------------
Garret FitzGerald.
Another who had his debts written off by the Bank.
After he lost a quarter of a million in the Ryanair flotation.
But do you see people queuing up to villfy dear Garret - oh not at all.
M.
Is that true, he he get a de facto bung?
http://www.rte.ie/news/1999/0217/fitzgerald.html
--
'Donegal:  Up Here It's Different'
© Féachadóir- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Thank you
How much did Thatcher pay Garret Fitzgerald (we know that he loved
property, money and shares)  to regard fellow oppressed Irishmen and
Irishwomen as being "citizens" of Britain?  Was he on the brink of
agreeing with Maggie to require Irish people confined within the
internment/concentration camps of the wee 6 statelet to wear little
green shamrock symbols stitched into their pygamas?  Fine fellow
indeed.."Our State"!  Even Collins regarded it with utter disdain...
Quisling comes to mind..
However the great wheel of justice will make her travel; she will
convince the *ngurlangers to ply should they be stupid enough all
exploitative economic slavery somewhere else (it is unlikely that her
parasitic ministers know any other call) or to consider the costs of a
mistake in this judgment.  Should Betty Windsor make one more bad call
- all gloves are off.
Feck- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Economic slavery of Northern Ireland, are you joking? It's the most
welfare dependant country in the UK and one tat the English would drop
at a shot. The Republic of Ireland are welcome to take over funding
their public sector economy through increased taxation. But don't
worry the government in waiting will be scrapping the Barnet Bribe,
but then they are closet English Nationalists. That combined with
English votes for English laws will push Scotland out of the Union.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I agree with almost every word spoken above save for taking "economic
slavery" out of context.  The "spongers" loved the status quo; high
public sector remuneration and they gladly sipped the Half-Crown from
the Crown to create a basket case economy but little did they care as
long as Betty Windsor's mob footed the bill.  The slaves were the poor
bastards deemed inadmissable on grounds of religion from this leech/
piranah pool.  "Union" is a total f*cking oxymoron.....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The Good Friday Agreement provides NI with the right to self
determination through a referendum. Now the English are starting to
wonder why 10 years later you have yet to exercise this right. Were
500 British Soldiers murdered in vein? As far as we are concerned we
have no links with NI, who are after all mainly Ulster Scots or Irish.
Do us a BIG financial favour and fuck off out of the Union.
Feck all sassanaigh
2008-09-27 16:34:19 UTC
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Post by Fredrick
Post by Feck all sassanaigh
The 1974 "doomsday document". Prime Minister Harold Wilson considered
cutting all constitutional ties with Northern Ireland and turning it into an
independent dominion territory.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/rams/document.ram
"I think our state was more at risk then than at any time since our
formation". Garret Fitzgerald. "It would have been civil war - no doubt."
Glen Barr.
--
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
------------------------------
Garret FitzGerald.
Another who had his debts written off by the Bank.
After he lost a quarter of a million in the Ryanair flotation.
But do you see people queuing up to villfy dear Garret - oh not at all.
M.
Is that true, he he get a de facto bung?
http://www.rte.ie/news/1999/0217/fitzgerald.html
--
'Donegal:  Up Here It's Different'
© Féachadóir- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Thank you
How much did Thatcher pay Garret Fitzgerald (we know that he loved
property, money and shares)  to regard fellow oppressed Irishmen and
Irishwomen as being "citizens" of Britain?  Was he on the brink of
agreeing with Maggie to require Irish people confined within the
internment/concentration camps of the wee 6 statelet to wear little
green shamrock symbols stitched into their pygamas?  Fine fellow
indeed.."Our State"!  Even Collins regarded it with utter disdain...
Quisling comes to mind..
However the great wheel of justice will make her travel; she will
convince the *ngurlangers to ply should they be stupid enough all
exploitative economic slavery somewhere else (it is unlikely that her
parasitic ministers know any other call) or to consider the costs of a
mistake in this judgment.  Should Betty Windsor make one more bad call
- all gloves are off.
Feck- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Economic slavery of Northern Ireland, are you joking? It's the most
welfare dependant country in the UK and one tat the English would drop
at a shot. The Republic of Ireland are welcome to take over funding
their public sector economy through increased taxation. But don't
worry the government in waiting will be scrapping the Barnet Bribe,
but then they are closet English Nationalists. That combined with
English votes for English laws will push Scotland out of the Union.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I agree with almost every word spoken above save for taking "economic
slavery" out of context.  The "spongers" loved the status quo; high
public sector remuneration and they gladly sipped the Half-Crown from
the Crown to create a basket case economy but little did they care as
long as Betty Windsor's mob footed the bill.  The slaves were the poor
bastards deemed inadmissable on grounds of religion from this leech/
piranah pool.  "Union" is a total f*cking oxymoron.....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The Good Friday Agreement provides NI with the right to self
determination through a referendum. Now the English are starting to
wonder why 10 years later you have yet to exercise this right. Were
500 British Soldiers murdered in vein? As far as we are concerned we
have no links with NI, who are after all mainly Ulster Scots or Irish.
Do us a BIG financial favour and fuck off out of the Union.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The "Right" in the GFA is superfluous nonsense - it was always the
right of Irish people to defend self-determination, eliminate
militaristic invaders and to teach them that imperialistic cowardly
oppression will ultimately cost them dearly. The relevant costs must
now be paid and *ngurlangers and their uniformed sycophantic lackeys
can fuck off out of Ireland. The "union" is a pathethic farce and
always was, is and will be into its declining future.
Feck all sassanaigh
2008-09-24 17:44:37 UTC
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Economic slavery of Northern Ireland, are you joking? It's the most
welfare dependant country in the UK and one tat the English would drop
at a shot.
*It might've been since the start of the troubles but before that
England took a fortune out of the province and for decades. Belfast
was the first industrialised city in the UK, had the largest private
shipyard (without which the invasion of France could never have
happened according to Eisenhower himself) , the largest ropeworks
among other things and a producer of some of the finest crystal and
linen.
Fact was like India and other places which produced superior products
little of the wealth passed down to either side and also like India
all of Ireland through time had trade restrictions and tarrifs
enforced by England so they couldn't compete.
Duck
The *ngurlangers are still and always were the scum of the earth. It
was necessary for the Irish to halt the corrupt imperialist nature of
this evil horrendous beast. India was quick to follow suit from
Ireland but again the meddling partitionist bastards have left a
rotten sectarian legacy or scar on the map of India. Sadly the task
of civilising the *ngurlanger fu*kwits remains a "work in progress".
Their system is by its nature of a terrorist disposition. "Weapons of
mass destruction" my arse - any excuse to invade an innocent country
to try and keep low oil prices and look at the outcome of its
chicanery. More partition. However our brave volunteers are up to
the task......
Duck
2008-09-25 15:01:09 UTC
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Economic slavery of Northern Ireland, are you joking? It's the most
welfare dependant country in the UK and one tat the English would drop
at a shot.
*It might've been since the start of the troubles but before that
England took a fortune out of the province and for decades. Belfast
was the first industrialised city in the UK, had the largest private
shipyard (without which the invasion of France could never have
happened according to Eisenhower himself) , the largest ropeworks
among other things and a producer of some of the finest crystal and
linen.
Fact was like India and other places which produced superior products
little of the wealth passed down to either side and also like India
all of Ireland through time had trade restrictions and tarrifs
enforced by England so they couldn't compete.
Duck
The *ngurlangers are still and always were the scum of the earth.  It
was necessary for the Irish to halt the corrupt imperialist nature of
this evil horrendous beast.  India was quick to follow suit from
Ireland but again the meddling partitionist bastards have left a
rotten sectarian legacy or scar on the map of India.  
*Because someone started it doesn't mean you have to continue it, it's
like blaming a bad childhood because you just killed someone.
Sadly the task
of civilising the *ngurlanger fu*kwits remains a "work in progress".
*Placing bombs in dustbins is not civilised.
Their system is by its nature of a terrorist disposition.  
*There has been fighting in Ireland long before the English were asked
to join in, if Ireland had been the larger neighbour things might've
been very different.

And when they weren't fighting at home both sides have been keen to
join in in other countries, Spain, America, Mexico to name just a few
notables and they made up most of the British army in WWI.
"Weapons of
mass destruction" my arse - any excuse to invade an innocent country
to try and keep low oil prices and look at the outcome of its
chicanery.  More partition.  
*Like old America you mean?
However our brave volunteers are up to the task......
*Start with the US bases then because they've been ruling the roost
for some time now, Ireland's been part of the same system for years,
believe your own propaganda if you wish.

Duck
conwaycaine
2008-09-25 16:13:21 UTC
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"Duck" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:01fe6929-b26b-423d-8b49-***@73g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 24, 6:44 pm, Feck all sassanaigh <***@gmail.com> wrote:
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*Placing bombs in dustbins is not civilised.

Bomb disposal is not commonly practiced over there?

*There has been fighting in Ireland long before the English were asked
to join in, if Ireland had been the larger neighbour things might've
been very different.

Yes, we'd all be speaking Gaelic.
Falcon
2008-09-25 16:35:39 UTC
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Post by conwaycaine
<Snip>
*Placing bombs in dustbins is not civilised.
Bomb disposal is not commonly practiced over there?
that's terrible... ;-)
Post by conwaycaine
*There has been fighting in Ireland long before the English were asked
to join in, if Ireland had been the larger neighbour things might've
been very different.
Yes, we'd all be speaking Gaelic.
And wearing skirts.
--
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
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conwaycaine
2008-09-25 16:54:23 UTC
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Post by Falcon
Post by conwaycaine
<Snip>
*Placing bombs in dustbins is not civilised.
Bomb disposal is not commonly practiced over there?
that's terrible... ;-)
I was a bit hesitant to post that.
Didn't want to appear too cavalier about the Troubles.
Post by Falcon
Post by conwaycaine
*There has been fighting in Ireland long before the English were asked
to join in, if Ireland had been the larger neighbour things might've
been very different.
Yes, we'd all be speaking Gaelic.
And wearing skirts.
And conversing with ducks on the Internet...........
Duck
2008-09-25 17:21:51 UTC
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Post by conwaycaine
Post by Falcon
Post by conwaycaine
<Snip>
*Placing bombs in dustbins is not civilised.
Bomb disposal is not commonly practiced over there?
that's terrible... ;-)
I was a bit hesitant to post that.
Didn't want to appear too cavalier about the Troubles.
*When American Irish bars can have a shot called a car bomb I guess
that's the least of our worries.
Post by conwaycaine
Post by Falcon
Post by conwaycaine
*There has been fighting in Ireland long before the English were asked
to join in, if Ireland had been the larger neighbour things might've
been very different.
Yes, we'd all be speaking Gaelic.
And wearing skirts.
And conversing with ducks on the Internet...........
*Bet it's the best conversation you've had all day.

Duck
mothed out
2008-09-26 01:20:26 UTC
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Post by Duck
Post by conwaycaine
Post by Falcon
Post by conwaycaine
<Snip>
*Placing bombs in dustbins is not civilised.
Bomb disposal is not commonly practiced over there?
that's terrible... ;-)
I was a bit hesitant to post that.
Didn't want to appear too cavalier about the Troubles.
*When American Irish bars can have a shot called a car bomb I guess
that's the least of our worries.
I'd give the 'bloody sundae' a miss though.
Post by Duck
Post by conwaycaine
Post by Falcon
Post by conwaycaine
*There has been fighting in Ireland long before the English were asked
to join in, if Ireland had been the larger neighbour things might've
been very different.
Yes, we'd all be speaking Gaelic.
And wearing skirts.
And conversing with ducks on the Internet...........
*Bet it's the best conversation you've had all day.
Duck
conwaycaine
2008-09-26 14:01:31 UTC
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"Duck" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d4c20ccd-5974-4b11-86b3-***@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 5:54 pm, "conwaycaine" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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Post by conwaycaine
And conversing with ducks on the Internet...........
*Bet it's the best conversation you've had all day.

****************************
And so it is.
I'm happy to see that you are spelling "duck" as "Duck".
Says a lot for your current self esteem level.
;=)
Duck
2008-09-26 17:33:00 UTC
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Post by conwaycaine
And conversing with ducks on the Internet...........
*Bet it's the best conversation you've had all day.
****************************
And so it is.
I'm happy to see that you are spelling "duck" as "Duck".
Says a lot for your current self esteem level.
   ;=)
*I thought I always did spell it Duck besides everybody knows a duck
is a bird...

Duck!
conwaycaine
2008-09-28 16:45:08 UTC
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Post by conwaycaine
And conversing with ducks on the Internet...........
*Bet it's the best conversation you've had all day.
****************************
And so it is.
I'm happy to see that you are spelling "duck" as "Duck".
Says a lot for your current self esteem level.
;=)
*I thought I always did spell it Duck besides everybody knows a duck
is a bird...

Duck!

*******

Now I'm old and me memory is not what it once was but I do seem to recall
you originally signed your good self as "duck".
So there, duckie.
Duck
2008-09-25 17:19:17 UTC
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Post by Falcon
Post by conwaycaine
<Snip>
*Placing bombs in dustbins is not civilised.
Bomb disposal is not commonly practiced over there?
that's terrible... ;-)
Post by conwaycaine
*There has been fighting in Ireland long before the English were asked
to join in, if Ireland had been the larger neighbour things might've
been very different.
Yes, we'd all be speaking Gaelic.
And wearing skirts.
*Like the Normans you mean?

Don't forget our lot passed on the stockings, I hear the public
schools over there still retain their heritage by wearing them...

Duck
Falcon
2008-09-25 21:58:23 UTC
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Post by Duck
Post by Falcon
Post by conwaycaine
<Snip>
*Placing bombs in dustbins is not civilised.
Bomb disposal is not commonly practiced over there?
that's terrible... ;-)
Post by conwaycaine
*There has been fighting in Ireland long before the English were asked
to join in, if Ireland had been the larger neighbour things might've
been very different.
Yes, we'd all be speaking Gaelic.
And wearing skirts.
*Like the Normans you mean?
Don't forget our lot passed on the stockings, I hear the public
schools over there still retain their heritage by wearing them...
Oh, it's by no means restricted to public schools my dear.
--
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
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Duck
2008-09-25 17:17:28 UTC
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Post by conwaycaine
<Snip>
*Placing bombs in dustbins is not civilised.
Bomb disposal is not commonly practiced over there?
*Oh no a pun from Conway, forget the looming crash we're screwed
anyway.
Post by conwaycaine
*There has been fighting in Ireland long before the English were asked
to join in, if Ireland had been the larger neighbour things might've
been very different.
Yes, we'd all be speaking Gaelic.
*Or German...

Duck
Falcon
2008-09-25 22:16:01 UTC
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Post by Duck
Post by conwaycaine
<Snip>
*Placing bombs in dustbins is not civilised.
Bomb disposal is not commonly practiced over there?
*Oh no a pun from Conway, forget the looming crash we're screwed
anyway.
Post by conwaycaine
*There has been fighting in Ireland long before the English were asked
to join in, if Ireland had been the larger neighbour things might've
been very different.
Yes, we'd all be speaking Gaelic.
*Or German...
Hold on. An American will come along any minute now to claim they saved your
asses.
--
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
------------------------------
conwaycaine
2008-09-26 14:06:07 UTC
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Post by Falcon
Post by Duck
Post by conwaycaine
<Snip>
*Placing bombs in dustbins is not civilised.
Bomb disposal is not commonly practiced over there?
*Oh no a pun from Conway, forget the looming crash we're screwed
anyway.
Post by conwaycaine
*There has been fighting in Ireland long before the English were asked
to join in, if Ireland had been the larger neighbour things might've
been very different.
Yes, we'd all be speaking Gaelic.
*Or German...
Hold on. An American will come along any minute now to claim they saved
your asses.
Have you any doubt?
Or have you ingrates forgotten all about those tin cans sitting on the
counters of pubs in South Boston.
And then there were the tin cans sitting in the Presbyterian churches of the
rest of New England.
Duck
2008-09-26 17:35:48 UTC
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Post by conwaycaine
Post by Falcon
Post by Duck
Post by conwaycaine
<Snip>
*Placing bombs in dustbins is not civilised.
Bomb disposal is not commonly practiced over there?
*Oh no a pun from Conway, forget the looming crash we're screwed
anyway.
Post by conwaycaine
*There has been fighting in Ireland long before the English were asked
to join in, if Ireland had been the larger neighbour things might've
been very different.
Yes, we'd all be speaking Gaelic.
*Or German...
Hold on. An American will come along any minute now to claim they saved
your asses.
Have you any doubt?
Or have you ingrates forgotten all about those tin cans sitting on the
counters of pubs in South Boston.
*Boston? You kidding you mean the tins saying help the IRA prisoners
wives?

I lived in a loyalist area and I knew few who would ever donate to
their version, never met any rich prisoners wives either.

Duck
conwaycaine
2008-09-28 16:48:09 UTC
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Post by conwaycaine
Post by Falcon
Hold on. An American will come along any minute now to claim they saved
your asses.
Have you any doubt?
Or have you ingrates forgotten all about those tin cans sitting on the
counters of pubs in South Boston.
*Boston? You kidding you mean the tins saying help the IRA prisoners
wives?
*********

"Food for the downtrodden" as I recall.


************

I lived in a loyalist area and I knew few who would ever donate to
their version, never met any rich prisoners wives either.

**************

The cans in the Boston Presbyterian churches were for the Loyalists.
"Food for the uptrodden" they read.
Duck
2008-09-26 18:58:57 UTC
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Post by Falcon
Post by Duck
Post by conwaycaine
<Snip>
*Placing bombs in dustbins is not civilised.
Bomb disposal is not commonly practiced over there?
*Oh no a pun from Conway, forget the looming crash we're screwed
anyway.
Post by conwaycaine
*There has been fighting in Ireland long before the English were asked
to join in, if Ireland had been the larger neighbour things might've
been very different.
Yes, we'd all be speaking Gaelic.
*Or German...
Hold on. An American will come along any minute now to claim they saved
your asses.
Have you any doubt?
Or have you ingrates forgotten
*Then again I'm sure everyone is grateful for the amount of Americans
that gave their lives in a war that wasn't theirs but then again if
Hitler had've taken all of Europe you would've been at war anyway.

The difference would've been a consolidated Nazi empire with no
shortage of resources and no other enemy as Russia would've surely
fallen too and don't forget it was the money people in the west funded
that took a ruined country and built it into a superpower in the first
place. The best enemy money can buy.

To summarise

Rockefeller's Standard oil supplied them with oil while rationing
their own people in the US as well as supplying them with the
technology to turn their coal into oil while keeping it secret from
their own country. The British war office knew of this at the time but
when they protested personally to him he threatened to cut them off.
Standard oil was later broken up into all these wonderful companies we
have today.

Henry Ford who Hitler awarded the Iron Cross to (which he refused to
return even when the truth of the Nazi regime came out) who built up
their automotive industry while refusing to help British Spitfire to
build their engines. Hitler had a photo of him on his desk and even
quoted him in Mein Kampf. Chrysler another large company involved
among others.

The above was not just profiteering but they also donated large sums
to support the regime because they believed in collectivism and still
do, they're doing it again now with China just as they also did with
Russia.

The American branch of I.G.Farben which was then the biggest chemical
cabal in the world, the headquarters completely untouched throughout
the entire war despite their huge bases (the largest became the allies
headquarters in Europe after the war) and factories being in
industrialised areas. This company was broken up too but while some
German directors were tried not one American was.

That is just the tip and it's worked the same through all wars as far
back as you like.

And just to keep it topical the congressional investigator Norman
Dodds (which I posted his interview before) once worked in a major
bank in the US (can't remember offhand) and was asked to reorganise
their banking.

Basically after a 2 year study he told them the system was not run on
sound banking principles. After the directors read his report he was
told 'Norman, America will never again return to sound banking' Seeing
his position in the company as pointless he handed in his resignation,
he later was summoned to head office and was told that the directors
couldn't get that report out of their heads and if he tore up his
resignation they would give him the responsibility to reorganise, he
agreed.

He found himself with his feet up on his desk unable to do anything
and was told his pension was safe if he played golf and just passed
time in the company. He later resigned for good but all doors to other
banks were firmly shut and had to go into consultancy.

Just so next time you watch the news you know why these things happen.

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's
laws."
- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild (red shield)

Incidently Britains first intent to support the creation of Israel was
not sent to another politician or government but to a member of this
family. It was called the Balfour declaration. They were involved in
the War with France and Wellington, Russia, of course Israel donating
millions for emigration to that state and even the American civil war.
They offered to fund the Yankees but Abe refused instead funding
themselves by printing their own money and we know what happened to
him. Kennedy did the same and suffered the same fate, coincidence? Who
will ever know.

"Banks lend by creating credit. They create the means of payment out
of nothing."
- Ralph M. Hawtrey, Secretary of the British Treasury

"Sound money still means today what it meant in the nineteenth
century: the gold standard." - Ludwig von Mises

Which also means they can't control it....

“the refusal of King George III to allow the colonies to operate an
honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of
the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the revolution”
–Benjamin Franklin

The Americans do not own their own bank but they're paying trillions
to pay back money which they paid to produce in the first place by
their own taxes.

“Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the
international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve
system have never been audited. It operates outside the control of
Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States.” –Barry
Goldwater, R-AZ

“It was not accidental; it was a carefully contrived occurrence. The
international Bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair
here so that they might emerge as rulers of us all.” - Louis McFadden
referring to the Great Depression,
treasurer of the Pennsylvania Bankers’ Association in 1906 and 1907,
and as president in 1914 and 1915.

(He possibly spoke out more because of his anti semitism than as a
patriot, he had to two failed attempts on his life.)

“The Federal Reserve definitely caused the Great depression by
contracting the amount of currency in circulation by one third from
1929 to 1933.” –Milton Friedman, Nobel Prize winning economist

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet
it was planned that way." Franklin D. Roosevelt

The quotes above are from people in a position to know and definitely
not loons yet people ignore them and instead trust in people well
known to profit from peoples misery.

End of rant...

Duck
Westprog
2008-09-27 21:48:09 UTC
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Post by Duck
Post by conwaycaine
Post by Falcon
Hold on. An American will come along any minute now to claim they
saved your asses.
Have you any doubt?
Or have you ingrates forgotten
*Then again I'm sure everyone is grateful for the amount of Americans
that gave their lives in a war that wasn't theirs but then again if
Hitler had've taken all of Europe you would've been at war anyway.
WW2 was as much the USA's as it was Britains. More, in fact. The USA went
into the war when its home territory was bombed. Britain and France entered
the war when a country hundreds of miles away was invaded.

Europeans living today should be grateful to the Americans who fought for
the freedoms they now have. And Americans living today should be grateful to
the British, French, Poles etc who were fighting Hitler from 1939 on.
conwaycaine
2008-09-28 16:51:09 UTC
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Post by Westprog
WW2 was as much the USA's as it was Britains. More, in fact. The USA went
into the war when its home territory was bombed. Britain and France
entered the war when a country hundreds of miles away was invaded.
Europeans living today should be grateful to the Americans who fought for
the freedoms they now have. And Americans living today should be grateful
to the British, French, Poles etc who were fighting Hitler from 1939 on.
It took us all, guys.
It took us all.
And a terrible price was paid to put down the mad dogs.
Fred J. McCall
2008-09-28 17:59:25 UTC
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"conwaycaine" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

:
:"Westprog" <***@hottmail.com> wrote in message
:news:gbo6tm$p3c$***@news.datemas.de...
:> Duck wrote:
:>> On Sep 26, 3:06 pm, "conwaycaine" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
:>>> "Falcon" <***@invalid.net> wrote in message
:<Snip>
:
:> WW2 was as much the USA's as it was Britains. More, in fact. The USA went
:> into the war when its home territory was bombed. Britain and France
:> entered the war when a country hundreds of miles away was invaded.
:>
:> Europeans living today should be grateful to the Americans who fought for
:> the freedoms they now have. And Americans living today should be grateful
:> to the British, French, Poles etc who were fighting Hitler from 1939 on.
:
:It took us all, guys.
:It took us all.
:And a terrible price was paid to put down the mad dogs.
:

The one you're leaving out are the Russians, who wound up tying up
something like 90% of the German Army.

This just goes to show that sometimes two wrongs DO make a right...
--
"I've put men in the ground in foreign soil so you can sleep
at night, but you wouldn't know anything about that, would
you, kid?"
-- Detective Mac Taylor, "CSI: NY"
conwaycaine
2008-09-28 16:49:58 UTC
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"Duck" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:9af82316-f712-4bc9-babd-***@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 26, 3:06 pm, "conwaycaine" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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End of rant...

Duck

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I was thinking of the aid the Clan In America sent over to the starving
widows of Ireland, so I was.
conwaycaine
2008-09-26 14:03:07 UTC
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*Placing bombs in dustbins is not civilised.
Bomb disposal is not commonly practiced over there?
*Oh no a pun from Conway, forget the looming crash we're screwed
anyway.
Post by conwaycaine
*There has been fighting in Ireland long before the English were asked
to join in, if Ireland had been the larger neighbour things might've
been very different.
Yes, we'd all be speaking Gaelic.
*Or German...

Duck

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(Psssst, Duck. We already speak German....or at least a derivative of it)
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