Aren't liberal judges in Britain just so wonderful to the criminal!!

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

A judge has told a Glasgow pensioner that stopping him going to the pub was a
"more meaningful" sentence than a prison term for killing his wife.

Edward Flaherty, 74, was convicted of strangling 69-year-old Ina Flaherty with a
tie after she refused to give him money to go out drinking.

Lord Matthews said Flaherty's dementia made him unsuited to prison.

He imposed a year-long restriction of liberty order which will keep him inside
his home during opening hours.

The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.

At the High Court in Glasgow, Lord Matthews told Flaherty that under normal
circumstances he would have been given a prison sentence in double figures.

He said: "I have read and considered a number of reports from experts. It is
plain to me that if I were to impose that sort of sentence you would be released
in a very short time because prison would not be able to cope with your
condition.

The report prepared for the court paints a picture of a man in
significant physical and mental decline
Donald MacLeod
Defence QC
"Sentencing you would just be a token gesture. I am anxious to impose a sentence
that restricts your liberty.

"You still go to the pub where you went with your wife. That must annoy her
relatives.

"Not being able to go there will be a more meaningful disposal than a prison
sentence which will not last long."

During the trial the jury heard that Flaherty said he had no recollection of the
moment he throttled his wife of 52 years in April last year.

When asked who killed her, he said: "It must have been me. There are no ghosts
running about the house who would have done that."

Defence QC Donald MacLeod said: "The report prepared for the court paints a
picture of a man in significant physical and mental decline.

"There is a clear diagnosis of dementia setting in. It is a progressive
condition and ultimately he will need 24-hour care.

"I am deeply conscious there has been a death here, but this man is very unwell.

"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this was flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm

Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm... Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[David C Jones]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
A judge has told a Glasgow pensioner that stopping him going to the pub was a
"more meaningful" sentence than a prison term for killing his wife.
Edward Flaherty, 74, was convicted of strangling 69-year-old Ina Flaherty with a
tie after she refused to give him money to go out drinking.
Lord Matthews said Flaherty's dementia made him unsuited to prison.
He imposed a year-long restriction of liberty order which will keep him inside
his home during opening hours.
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
At the High Court in Glasgow, Lord Matthews told Flaherty that under normal
circumstances he would have been given a prison sentence in double figures.
He said: "I have read and considered a number of reports from experts. It is
plain to me that if I were to impose that sort of sentence you would be released
in a very short time because prison would not be able to cope with your
condition.
The report prepared for the court paints a picture of a man in
significant physical and mental decline
Donald MacLeod
Defence QC
"Sentencing you would just be a token gesture. I am anxious to impose a sentence
that restricts your liberty.
"You still go to the pub where you went with your wife. That must annoy her
relatives.
"Not being able to go there will be a more meaningful disposal than a prison
sentence which will not last long."
During the trial the jury heard that Flaherty said he had no recollection of the
moment he throttled his wife of 52 years in April last year.
When asked who killed her, he said: "It must have been me. There are no ghosts
running about the house who would have done that."
Defence QC Donald MacLeod said: "The report prepared for the court paints a
picture of a man in significant physical and mental decline.
"There is a clear diagnosis of dementia setting in. It is a progressive
condition and ultimately he will need 24-hour care.
"I am deeply conscious there has been a death here, but this man is very unwell.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this was flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial...

Dont worry ray, just do a search and cut and paste as you normally do, you
boring prat

Hmmm... Wonder

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray
---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:10:59 +0100, "David C Jones"

Post by David C Jones

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
A judge has told a Glasgow pensioner that stopping him going to the pub was a
"more meaningful" sentence than a prison term for killing his wife.
Edward Flaherty, 74, was convicted of strangling 69-year-old Ina Flaherty with a
tie after she refused to give him money to go out drinking.
Lord Matthews said Flaherty's dementia made him unsuited to prison.
He imposed a year-long restriction of liberty order which will keep him inside
his home during opening hours.
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
At the High Court in Glasgow, Lord Matthews told Flaherty that under normal
circumstances he would have been given a prison sentence in double figures.
He said: "I have read and considered a number of reports from experts. It is
plain to me that if I were to impose that sort of sentence you would be released
in a very short time because prison would not be able to cope with your
condition.
The report prepared for the court paints a picture of a man in
significant physical and mental decline
Donald MacLeod
Defence QC
"Sentencing you would just be a token gesture. I am anxious to impose a sentence
that restricts your liberty.
"You still go to the pub where you went with your wife. That must annoy her
relatives.
"Not being able to go there will be a more meaningful disposal than a prison
sentence which will not last long."
During the trial the jury heard that Flaherty said he had no recollection of the
moment he throttled his wife of 52 years in April last year.
When asked who killed her, he said: "It must have been me. There are no ghosts
running about the house who would have done that."
Defence QC Donald MacLeod said: "The report prepared for the court paints a
picture of a man in significant physical and mental decline.
"There is a clear diagnosis of dementia setting in. It is a progressive
condition and ultimately he will need 24-hour care.
"I am deeply conscious there has been a death here, but this man is very unwell.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this was flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial...

Dont worry ray, just do a search and cut and paste as you normally do, you
boring prat
Hmmm... Wonder

Why not try it your self... You'd look less of a prat and people might actually
think you have a brain inside your head!!! Imagine that!!!

Now... Do you have an opinion about this murderous bastard getting banned from a
pub as punishment? FFS!! Even YOU must think this is taking the piss? No?

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[David C Jones]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:10:59 +0100, "David C Jones"

Post by David C Jones

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
A judge has told a Glasgow pensioner that stopping him going to the pub
was
a
"more meaningful" sentence than a prison term for killing his wife.
Edward Flaherty, 74, was convicted of strangling 69-year-old Ina
Flaherty
with a
tie after she refused to give him money to go out drinking.
Lord Matthews said Flaherty's dementia made him unsuited to prison.
He imposed a year-long restriction of liberty order which will keep him inside
his home during opening hours.
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
At the High Court in Glasgow, Lord Matthews told Flaherty that under normal
circumstances he would have been given a prison sentence in double figures.
He said: "I have read and considered a number of reports from experts.
It
is
plain to me that if I were to impose that sort of sentence you would be released
in a very short time because prison would not be able to cope with your
condition.
The report prepared for the court paints a picture of a man in
significant physical and mental decline
Donald MacLeod
Defence QC
"Sentencing you would just be a token gesture. I am anxious to impose a sentence
that restricts your liberty.
"You still go to the pub where you went with your wife. That must annoy her
relatives.
"Not being able to go there will be a more meaningful disposal than a prison
sentence which will not last long."
During the trial the jury heard that Flaherty said he had no
recollection
of the
moment he throttled his wife of 52 years in April last year.
When asked who killed her, he said: "It must have been me. There are no ghosts
running about the house who would have done that."
Defence QC Donald MacLeod said: "The report prepared for the court
paints
a
picture of a man in significant physical and mental decline.
"There is a clear diagnosis of dementia setting in. It is a progressive
condition and ultimately he will need 24-hour care.
"I am deeply conscious there has been a death here, but this man is very unwell.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this
was
flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95
year
old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial...

Dont worry ray, just do a search and cut and paste as you normally do, you
boring prat
Hmmm... Wonder

Why not try it your self... You'd look less of a prat and people might actually
think you have a brain inside your head!!! Imagine that!!!
Now... Do you have an opinion about this murderous bastard getting banned from a
pub as punishment? FFS!! Even YOU must think this is taking the piss?
No?

Well ray not rea;;y, each case needs to be looked at individually and that
is what has happened here, so its got fuck all to do with you you moronic
prick, now go back to your hole and be a good republican and fester away.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Ray
---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
A judge has told a Glasgow pensioner that stopping him going to the pub was a
"more meaningful" sentence than a prison term for killing his wife.
Edward Flaherty, 74, was convicted of strangling 69-year-old Ina Flaherty with a
tie after she refused to give him money to go out drinking.
Lord Matthews said Flaherty's dementia made him unsuited to prison.
He imposed a year-long restriction of liberty order which will keep him inside
his home during opening hours.
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
At the High Court in Glasgow, Lord Matthews told Flaherty that under normal
circumstances he would have been given a prison sentence in double figures.
He said: "I have read and considered a number of reports from experts. It is
plain to me that if I were to impose that sort of sentence you would be released
in a very short time because prison would not be able to cope with your
condition.
The report prepared for the court paints a picture of a man in
significant physical and mental decline
Donald MacLeod
Defence QC
"Sentencing you would just be a token gesture. I am anxious to impose a sentence
that restricts your liberty.
"You still go to the pub where you went with your wife. That must annoy her
relatives.
"Not being able to go there will be a more meaningful disposal than a prison
sentence which will not last long."
During the trial the jury heard that Flaherty said he had no recollection of the
moment he throttled his wife of 52 years in April last year.
When asked who killed her, he said: "It must have been me. There are no ghosts
running about the house who would have done that."
Defence QC Donald MacLeod said: "The report prepared for the court paints a
picture of a man in significant physical and mental decline.
"There is a clear diagnosis of dementia setting in. It is a progressive
condition and ultimately he will need 24-hour care.
"I am deeply conscious there has been a death here, but this man is very unwell.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this was flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm... Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

You might want to read this follow up news article:

A man police dubbed "the millionaire shoplifter" has been jailed for more than
two years for money laundering.

Kevin Castle, of Nottingham, obtained refunds for shoplifted goods from DIY
stores in north-west England and the Midlands, Preston Crown Court heard.

Castle was wanted by police forces in Lancashire, Nottingham and Greater
Manchester, when he was caught.

At Preston Crown Court, Castle, 43, admitted money laundering and was jailed for
28 months.

Height boosted

Lancashire Police said Castle prompted "a complex and protracted enquiry" with
"crimes committed all over the UK" at Homebase and B&Q stores.

Detectives believe he was making between £500 and £1,000 a day from as far back
as 2004 as he drove around the country claiming numerous refunds.

He used a variety of disguises, posing as a electrical engineer, alarm fitter
and property developer.

The court heard he even wore blocks in his shoes to boost his height of 5ft 5in.

Castle, of Gibbons Avenue, Stapleford, was finally caught as he tried to
exchange a packet of doorknobs at the Homebase branch in Altrincham.

He has an appalling set of antecedents and he admits he has wasted his
life
Ian Whitehurst
Defending

The court heard Castle spent £140,000 gained from the scam using it to stay in a
five-star hotel, rent a luxury apartment and hire top-of-the-range cars.

He booked a 28-night stay at Claridge's Hotel in London and hired expensive cars
including a Porsche Cayenne and several Jaguars.

Castle's fraud first came to the attention of Lancashire Police in 2004 when he
tried to get a refund using a fraudulent receipt at B&Q store in Bamber Bridge,
Preston.

In 2005, he pleaded guilty at Preston Crown Court to four counts of obtaining
property by deception, with 35 other offences to be taken into consideration.

'Appalling record'

Peter McNaught, prosecuting, said police later found large amounts of money in
Castle's then-partner Elaine Rogers's accounts, which were funding "a lavish
lifestyle".

Both were arrested on suspicion of money laundering in April 2006 and later
bailed, but Castle was arrested again three months later after the doorknob
incident in Altrincham.

A search of his Jaguar uncovered 28 packets of Homebase doorknobs and a map
highlighting 300 store locations in the North of England and the Midlands. A
till roll was found by officers at his home.

Castle was again released on bail and went on the run. He was eventually
arrested as he got out of a hired BMW X5 on a car park in the village of Burton
Joyce, near Nottingham, in February 2008.

A week later, Rogers, 47, of Chad Gardens, Nottingham was sentenced to 12 months
in jail, suspended for two years, at Preston Crown Court for money laundering.

Ian Whitehurst, defending, said Castle now wanted to start a new life.

"He has an appalling set of antecedents and he admits he has wasted his life,"
said Mr Whitehurst.

Refunds policy changed

Lancashire police said Castle continues to be investigated by Nottinghamshire
Police regarding a number of separate deception offences.

Despite the attention on Castle, Det Con Dot Walker, of Lancashire Police, said
his ex-partner also played a part in the con.

"She was spending on a massive scale at places such as Harrods and Claridges in
London," said Ms Walker.

"Castle and Rogers have lived the high life for many years, living off the
proceeds of crime."

Both are now subject to confiscation investigations under the Proceeds of Crime
Act, Mrs Walker added.

Welcoming the conviction, a B&Q spokesperson said: "Since this fraud was
initially detected we have substantially changed our refunds policy, which makes
replicating this kind of fraudulent activity much more difficult.

"We continue to take fraud and all kinds of theft extremely seriously and
co-operate with the authorities wherever we can."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/7540972.stm

2 years for the five fingered discount and yet banned from a pub for murder..

This is what liberal legal laws lead to...

What say you now?

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
A judge has told a Glasgow pensioner that stopping him going to the pub was a
"more meaningful" sentence than a prison term for killing his wife.
Edward Flaherty, 74, was convicted of strangling 69-year-old Ina Flaherty with a
tie after she refused to give him money to go out drinking.
Lord Matthews said Flaherty's dementia made him unsuited to prison.
He imposed a year-long restriction of liberty order which will keep him inside
his home during opening hours.
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
At the High Court in Glasgow, Lord Matthews told Flaherty that under normal
circumstances he would have been given a prison sentence in double figures.
He said: "I have read and considered a number of reports from experts. It is
plain to me that if I were to impose that sort of sentence you would be released
in a very short time because prison would not be able to cope with your
condition.
The report prepared for the court paints a picture of a man in
significant physical and mental decline
Donald MacLeod
Defence QC
"Sentencing you would just be a token gesture. I am anxious to impose a sentence
that restricts your liberty.
"You still go to the pub where you went with your wife. That must annoy her
relatives.
"Not being able to go there will be a more meaningful disposal than a prison
sentence which will not last long."
During the trial the jury heard that Flaherty said he had no recollection of the
moment he throttled his wife of 52 years in April last year.
When asked who killed her, he said: "It must have been me. There are no ghosts
running about the house who would have done that."
Defence QC Donald MacLeod said: "The report prepared for the court paints a
picture of a man in significant physical and mental decline.
"There is a clear diagnosis of dementia setting in. It is a progressive
condition and ultimately he will need 24-hour care.
"I am deeply conscious there has been a death here, but this man is very unwell.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this was flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm... Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

A man police dubbed "the millionaire shoplifter" has been jailed for more than
two years for money laundering.
Kevin Castle, of Nottingham, obtained refunds for shoplifted goods from DIY
stores in north-west England and the Midlands, Preston Crown Court heard.
Castle was wanted by police forces in Lancashire, Nottingham and Greater
Manchester, when he was caught.
At Preston Crown Court, Castle, 43, admitted money laundering and was jailed for
28 months.
Height boosted
Lancashire Police said Castle prompted "a complex and protracted enquiry" with
"crimes committed all over the UK" at Homebase and B&Q stores.
Detectives believe he was making between £500 and £1,000 a day from as far back
as 2004 as he drove around the country claiming numerous refunds.
He used a variety of disguises, posing as a electrical engineer, alarm fitter
and property developer.
The court heard he even wore blocks in his shoes to boost his height of 5ft 5in.
Castle, of Gibbons Avenue, Stapleford, was finally caught as he tried to
exchange a packet of doorknobs at the Homebase branch in Altrincham.
He has an appalling set of antecedents and he admits he has wasted his
life
Ian Whitehurst
Defending
The court heard Castle spent £140,000 gained from the scam using it to stay in a
five-star hotel, rent a luxury apartment and hire top-of-the-range cars.
He booked a 28-night stay at Claridge's Hotel in London and hired expensive cars
including a Porsche Cayenne and several Jaguars.
Castle's fraud first came to the attention of Lancashire Police in 2004 when he
tried to get a refund using a fraudulent receipt at B&Q store in Bamber Bridge,
Preston.
In 2005, he pleaded guilty at Preston Crown Court to four counts of obtaining
property by deception, with 35 other offences to be taken into consideration.
'Appalling record'
Peter McNaught, prosecuting, said police later found large amounts of money in
Castle's then-partner Elaine Rogers's accounts, which were funding "a lavish
lifestyle".
Both were arrested on suspicion of money laundering in April 2006 and later
bailed, but Castle was arrested again three months later after the doorknob
incident in Altrincham.
A search of his Jaguar uncovered 28 packets of Homebase doorknobs and a map
highlighting 300 store locations in the North of England and the Midlands. A
till roll was found by officers at his home.
Castle was again released on bail and went on the run. He was eventually
arrested as he got out of a hired BMW X5 on a car park in the village of Burton
Joyce, near Nottingham, in February 2008.
A week later, Rogers, 47, of Chad Gardens, Nottingham was sentenced to 12 months
in jail, suspended for two years, at Preston Crown Court for money laundering.
Ian Whitehurst, defending, said Castle now wanted to start a new life.
"He has an appalling set of antecedents and he admits he has wasted his life,"
said Mr Whitehurst.
Refunds policy changed
Lancashire police said Castle continues to be investigated by Nottinghamshire
Police regarding a number of separate deception offences.
Despite the attention on Castle, Det Con Dot Walker, of Lancashire Police, said
his ex-partner also played a part in the con.
"She was spending on a massive scale at places such as Harrods and Claridges in
London," said Ms Walker.
"Castle and Rogers have lived the high life for many years, living off the
proceeds of crime."
Both are now subject to confiscation investigations under the Proceeds of Crime
Act, Mrs Walker added.
Welcoming the conviction, a B&Q spokesperson said: "Since this fraud was
initially detected we have substantially changed our refunds policy, which makes
replicating this kind of fraudulent activity much more difficult.
"We continue to take fraud and all kinds of theft extremely seriously and
co-operate with the authorities wherever we can."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/7540972.stm
2 years for the five fingered discount and yet banned from a pub for murder..
This is what liberal legal laws lead to...
What say you now?
Ray

FFS!! I'v constantly challenged those that I call stupid moronic liberals to
engage me in debate to defend the moronic "restorative justice" Vs REAL
JUSTICE!! as expressed by me!

And they run like the lemmings I think they are... Or sheep or rabbits... Which
ever is your most favorite cowardly furry manimal!!!

It's dead obvious to me and anyone reading this with an open mind that without
their liberal talking points my political opponents can't even mount a half
assed defense of liberal thought nevermind engage in meaningful debate with me a
confirmed Conservative who mocks them and laughs at their pathetic useless
defense....

The next election is a no-brainer... McCain President... There can be no
argument! Liberals have given up... Cant' even defend their own "lord
Obama"....

I'm laughing already!!!

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[m***@nildram.co.uk]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this was flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm

2 years for the five fingered discount and yet banned from a pub for murder..

He was cleared of murder if you actually read the article.

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

Post by m***@nildram.co.uk

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this was flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm

2 years for the five fingered discount and yet banned from a pub for murder..

He was cleared of murder if you actually read the article.

Which part of "Edward Flaherty, 74, was

*******convicted*** of strangling 69-year-old Ina Flaherty with a tie******

after she refused to give him money to go out drinking."

Didn't you understand?

Ray



---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[Sophistry Made Simple]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
A judge has told a Glasgow pensioner that stopping him going to the pub was a
"more meaningful" sentence than a prison term for killing his wife.
Edward Flaherty, 74, was convicted of strangling 69-year-old Ina Flaherty with a
tie after she refused to give him money to go out drinking.
Lord Matthews said Flaherty's dementia made him unsuited to prison.
He imposed a year-long restriction of liberty order which will keep him inside
his home during opening hours.
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
At the High Court in Glasgow, Lord Matthews told Flaherty that under normal
circumstances he would have been given a prison sentence in double figures.
He said: "I have read and considered a number of reports from experts. It is
plain to me that if I were to impose that sort of sentence you would be released
in a very short time because prison would not be able to cope with your
condition.
The report prepared for the court paints a picture of a man in
significant physical and mental decline
Donald MacLeod
Defence QC
"Sentencing you would just be a token gesture. I am anxious to impose a sentence
that restricts your liberty.
"You still go to the pub where you went with your wife. That must annoy her
relatives.
"Not being able to go there will be a more meaningful disposal than a prison
sentence which will not last long."
During the trial the jury heard that Flaherty said he had no recollection of the
moment he throttled his wife of 52 years in April last year.
When asked who killed her, he said: "It must have been me. There are no ghosts
running about the house who would have done that."
Defence QC Donald MacLeod said: "The report prepared for the court paints a
picture of a man in significant physical and mental decline.
"There is a clear diagnosis of dementia setting in. It is a progressive
condition and ultimately he will need 24-hour care.
"I am deeply conscious there has been a death here, but this man is very unwell.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this was flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm...
Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...

Once again a disgusting self-styled conservative contrives to use yet
another tragedy for political capital - and then to compare the sad actions
of an elderly man suffering from serious mental health issues with the
psychopatic mass-murderers of Nazi Germany is plumbing the depths of
depravity.

That 95 year old Nazi wasn't 95 when he did what he did - he was in the
prime of his physical and mental health and he didn't murder one person in a
fit of mental illness - he murdered millions. That 95 year old Nazi lined
up children, thousands of them at a time, stripped them naked, led them to
open pits where they could see what had already happened to others, and
machine-gunned them pitilessly, heartlessly, mercilessly. Then he went on
to the next town, the next village and did it all over again, for years.

Read the fucking articles that you post, make an effort to understand what's
going on, see that the poor man is beyond help, beyond punishment, but not
beyond mercy, pity and understanding.

Stupid conservatives, no thought, no heart - but can really, like feel, for
poor persecuted Nazis.

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:15:57 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
A judge has told a Glasgow pensioner that stopping him going to the pub was a
"more meaningful" sentence than a prison term for killing his wife.
Edward Flaherty, 74, was convicted of strangling 69-year-old Ina Flaherty with a
tie after she refused to give him money to go out drinking.
Lord Matthews said Flaherty's dementia made him unsuited to prison.
He imposed a year-long restriction of liberty order which will keep him inside
his home during opening hours.
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
At the High Court in Glasgow, Lord Matthews told Flaherty that under normal
circumstances he would have been given a prison sentence in double figures.
He said: "I have read and considered a number of reports from experts. It is
plain to me that if I were to impose that sort of sentence you would be released
in a very short time because prison would not be able to cope with your
condition.
The report prepared for the court paints a picture of a man in
significant physical and mental decline
Donald MacLeod
Defence QC
"Sentencing you would just be a token gesture. I am anxious to impose a sentence
that restricts your liberty.
"You still go to the pub where you went with your wife. That must annoy her
relatives.
"Not being able to go there will be a more meaningful disposal than a prison
sentence which will not last long."
During the trial the jury heard that Flaherty said he had no recollection of the
moment he throttled his wife of 52 years in April last year.
When asked who killed her, he said: "It must have been me. There are no ghosts
running about the house who would have done that."
Defence QC Donald MacLeod said: "The report prepared for the court paints a
picture of a man in significant physical and mental decline.
"There is a clear diagnosis of dementia setting in. It is a progressive
condition and ultimately he will need 24-hour care.
"I am deeply conscious there has been a death here, but this man is very unwell.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this was flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm...
Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...

Once again a disgusting self-styled conservative contrives to use yet
another tragedy for political capital - and then to compare the sad actions
of an elderly man suffering from serious mental health issues with the
psychopatic mass-murderers of Nazi Germany is plumbing the depths of
depravity.
That 95 year old Nazi wasn't 95 when he did what he did - he was in the
prime of his physical and mental health and he didn't murder one person in a
fit of mental illness - he murdered millions.

Remember that word "alleged" and remember the liberal chant of "proof"!! Your a
fool! a dupe a lemming... Your a dope if you bought this thing without
thinking about it... Nevermind! :)

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
That 95 year old Nazi lined

Alleged! I told you to remember that word... There is no conviction... it's
simply alleged... But your socialist brainwashing let you to belive that it
meant "guilt"... I pity you liberals... morons... thinking morons.. Always
being us thinking Conservatives... Never mind! \

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
up children, thousands of them at a time, stripped them naked, led them to
open pits where they could see what had already happened to others, and
machine-gunned them pitilessly, heartlessly, mercilessly. Then he went on
to the next town, the next village and did it all over again, for years.

Proof is erm... two old to include...
He's 95...

I find it fancyful that liberals like you defend mass murderers and yet you try
to .... Oh... You know...

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
Read the fucking articles that you post, make an effort to understand what's
going on, see that the poor man is beyond help, beyond punishment, but not
beyond mercy, pity and understanding.

95 years old... read that you stupid moronic liberal and think about it...

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
Stupid conservatives, no thought, no heart - but can really, like feel, for
poor persecuted Nazis.

Liberals are so stupid they should get a free bus pass... Handicapped people
deserve it...

Ray
(Conservative and damn proud)


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[Sophistry Made Simple]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:15:57 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
A judge has told a Glasgow pensioner that stopping him going to the pub
was
a
"more meaningful" sentence than a prison term for killing his wife.
Edward Flaherty, 74, was convicted of strangling 69-year-old Ina
Flaherty
with a
tie after she refused to give him money to go out drinking.
Lord Matthews said Flaherty's dementia made him unsuited to prison.
He imposed a year-long restriction of liberty order which will keep him inside
his home during opening hours.
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
At the High Court in Glasgow, Lord Matthews told Flaherty that under normal
circumstances he would have been given a prison sentence in double figures.
He said: "I have read and considered a number of reports from experts.
It
is
plain to me that if I were to impose that sort of sentence you would be released
in a very short time because prison would not be able to cope with your
condition.
The report prepared for the court paints a picture of a man in
significant physical and mental decline
Donald MacLeod
Defence QC
"Sentencing you would just be a token gesture. I am anxious to impose a sentence
that restricts your liberty.
"You still go to the pub where you went with your wife. That must annoy her
relatives.
"Not being able to go there will be a more meaningful disposal than a prison
sentence which will not last long."
During the trial the jury heard that Flaherty said he had no
recollection
of the
moment he throttled his wife of 52 years in April last year.
When asked who killed her, he said: "It must have been me. There are no ghosts
running about the house who would have done that."
Defence QC Donald MacLeod said: "The report prepared for the court
paints
a
picture of a man in significant physical and mental decline.
"There is a clear diagnosis of dementia setting in. It is a progressive
condition and ultimately he will need 24-hour care.
"I am deeply conscious there has been a death here, but this man is very unwell.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this
was
flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95
year
old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm...
Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...

Once again a disgusting self-styled conservative contrives to use yet
another tragedy for political capital - and then to compare the sad actions
of an elderly man suffering from serious mental health issues with the
psychopatic mass-murderers of Nazi Germany is plumbing the depths of
depravity.
That 95 year old Nazi wasn't 95 when he did what he did - he was in the
prime of his physical and mental health and he didn't murder one person in a
fit of mental illness - he murdered millions.

Remember that word "alleged" and remember the liberal chant of "proof"!! Your a
fool! a dupe a lemming... Your a dope if you bought this thing without
thinking about it... Nevermind! :)

Nobody is charged with war crimes lightly, nobody is charged without proof.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
That 95 year old Nazi lined

Alleged! I told you to remember that word... There is no conviction... it's
simply alleged... But your socialist brainwashing let you to belive that it
meant "guilt"... I pity you liberals... morons... thinking morons..
Always
being us thinking Conservatives... Never mind! \

Name the man then - let's all have a look at this poor victim of injustice
that you care so much about. I dare you.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
up children, thousands of them at a time, stripped them naked, led them to
open pits where they could see what had already happened to others, and
machine-gunned them pitilessly, heartlessly, mercilessly. Then he went on
to the next town, the next village and did it all over again, for years.

Proof is erm... two old to include...
He's 95...

How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden have to be
before you think that they should stop searching for him?

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
I find it fancyful that liberals like you defend mass murderers and yet you try
to .... Oh... You know...

Which mass murderers would that be, you lying pisshead? Oh and look up
fanciful while you're at it.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
Read the fucking articles that you post, make an effort to understand what's
going on, see that the poor man is beyond help, beyond punishment, but not
beyond mercy, pity and understanding.

95 years old... read that you stupid moronic liberal and think about it...

So what, so fuckin what? You're the one whingeing about an elderly man
being let off, and now whingeing about another not being let off. Which do
you want?

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
Stupid conservatives, no thought, no heart - but can really, like feel, for
poor persecuted Nazis.

Liberals are so stupid they should get a free bus pass... Handicapped people
deserve it...

Oh good grief - this from a full grown man.

[David C Jones]

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:15:57 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
A judge has told a Glasgow pensioner that stopping him going to the pub
was
a
"more meaningful" sentence than a prison term for killing his wife.
Edward Flaherty, 74, was convicted of strangling 69-year-old Ina
Flaherty
with a
tie after she refused to give him money to go out drinking.
Lord Matthews said Flaherty's dementia made him unsuited to prison.
He imposed a year-long restriction of liberty order which will keep him inside
his home during opening hours.
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
At the High Court in Glasgow, Lord Matthews told Flaherty that under normal
circumstances he would have been given a prison sentence in double figures.
He said: "I have read and considered a number of reports from experts.
It
is
plain to me that if I were to impose that sort of sentence you would be released
in a very short time because prison would not be able to cope with your
condition.
The report prepared for the court paints a picture of a man in
significant physical and mental decline
Donald MacLeod
Defence QC
"Sentencing you would just be a token gesture. I am anxious to impose a sentence
that restricts your liberty.
"You still go to the pub where you went with your wife. That must annoy her
relatives.
"Not being able to go there will be a more meaningful disposal than a prison
sentence which will not last long."
During the trial the jury heard that Flaherty said he had no
recollection
of the
moment he throttled his wife of 52 years in April last year.
When asked who killed her, he said: "It must have been me. There are no ghosts
running about the house who would have done that."
Defence QC Donald MacLeod said: "The report prepared for the court
paints
a
picture of a man in significant physical and mental decline.
"There is a clear diagnosis of dementia setting in. It is a progressive
condition and ultimately he will need 24-hour care.
"I am deeply conscious there has been a death here, but this man is
very
unwell.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this
was
flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95
year
old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm...
Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...

Once again a disgusting self-styled conservative contrives to use yet
another tragedy for political capital - and then to compare the sad actions
of an elderly man suffering from serious mental health issues with the
psychopatic mass-murderers of Nazi Germany is plumbing the depths of
depravity.
That 95 year old Nazi wasn't 95 when he did what he did - he was in the
prime of his physical and mental health and he didn't murder one person in a
fit of mental illness - he murdered millions.

Remember that word "alleged" and remember the liberal chant of "proof"!! Your a
fool! a dupe a lemming... Your a dope if you bought this thing without
thinking about it... Nevermind! :)

Nobody is charged with war crimes lightly, nobody is charged without proof.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
That 95 year old Nazi lined

Alleged! I told you to remember that word... There is no conviction... it's
simply alleged... But your socialist brainwashing let you to belive that it
meant "guilt"... I pity you liberals... morons... thinking morons..
Always
being us thinking Conservatives... Never mind! \

Name the man then - let's all have a look at this poor victim of injustice
that you care so much about. I dare you.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
up children, thousands of them at a time, stripped them naked, led them to
open pits where they could see what had already happened to others, and
machine-gunned them pitilessly, heartlessly, mercilessly. Then he went on
to the next town, the next village and did it all over again, for years.

Proof is erm... two old to include...
He's 95...

How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden have to be
before you think that they should stop searching for him?

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
I find it fancyful that liberals like you defend mass murderers and yet you try
to .... Oh... You know...

Which mass murderers would that be, you lying pisshead? Oh and look up
fanciful while you're at it.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
Read the fucking articles that you post, make an effort to understand what's
going on, see that the poor man is beyond help, beyond punishment, but not
beyond mercy, pity and understanding.

95 years old... read that you stupid moronic liberal and think about it...

So what, so fuckin what? You're the one whingeing about an elderly man
being let off, and now whingeing about another not being let off. Which
do you want?

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
Stupid conservatives, no thought, no heart - but can really, like feel, for
poor persecuted Nazis.

Liberals are so stupid they should get a free bus pass... Handicapped people
deserve it...

Oh good grief - this from a full grown man.

Well he is not really a grown man, he is a dwarf really and he is a well
known associate of gerry adams and as such dont say to much to him.
He is the only person on the net who has a degree in cut and paste LOL, in
fact he is a frigging looney really.

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:15:57 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
A judge has told a Glasgow pensioner that stopping him going to the pub
was
a
"more meaningful" sentence than a prison term for killing his wife.
Edward Flaherty, 74, was convicted of strangling 69-year-old Ina
Flaherty
with a
tie after she refused to give him money to go out drinking.
Lord Matthews said Flaherty's dementia made him unsuited to prison.
He imposed a year-long restriction of liberty order which will keep him inside
his home during opening hours.
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
At the High Court in Glasgow, Lord Matthews told Flaherty that under normal
circumstances he would have been given a prison sentence in double figures.
He said: "I have read and considered a number of reports from experts.
It
is
plain to me that if I were to impose that sort of sentence you would be released
in a very short time because prison would not be able to cope with your
condition.
The report prepared for the court paints a picture of a man in
significant physical and mental decline
Donald MacLeod
Defence QC
"Sentencing you would just be a token gesture. I am anxious to impose a sentence
that restricts your liberty.
"You still go to the pub where you went with your wife. That must annoy her
relatives.
"Not being able to go there will be a more meaningful disposal than a prison
sentence which will not last long."
During the trial the jury heard that Flaherty said he had no
recollection
of the
moment he throttled his wife of 52 years in April last year.
When asked who killed her, he said: "It must have been me. There are no ghosts
running about the house who would have done that."
Defence QC Donald MacLeod said: "The report prepared for the court
paints
a
picture of a man in significant physical and mental decline.
"There is a clear diagnosis of dementia setting in. It is a progressive
condition and ultimately he will need 24-hour care.
"I am deeply conscious there has been a death here, but this man is very unwell.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this
was
flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95
year
old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm...
Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...

Once again a disgusting self-styled conservative contrives to use yet
another tragedy for political capital - and then to compare the sad actions
of an elderly man suffering from serious mental health issues with the
psychopatic mass-murderers of Nazi Germany is plumbing the depths of
depravity.
That 95 year old Nazi wasn't 95 when he did what he did - he was in the
prime of his physical and mental health and he didn't murder one person in a
fit of mental illness - he murdered millions.

Remember that word "alleged" and remember the liberal chant of "proof"!! Your a
fool! a dupe a lemming... Your a dope if you bought this thing without
thinking about it... Nevermind! :)

Nobody is charged with war crimes lightly, nobody is charged without proof.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
That 95 year old Nazi lined

Alleged! I told you to remember that word... There is no conviction... it's
simply alleged... But your socialist brainwashing let you to belive that it
meant "guilt"... I pity you liberals... morons... thinking morons..
Always
being us thinking Conservatives... Never mind! \

Name the man then - let's all have a look at this poor victim of injustice
that you care so much about. I dare you.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
up children, thousands of them at a time, stripped them naked, led them to
open pits where they could see what had already happened to others, and
machine-gunned them pitilessly, heartlessly, mercilessly. Then he went on
to the next town, the next village and did it all over again, for years.

Proof is erm... two old to include...
He's 95...

How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden have to be
before you think that they should stop searching for him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
I find it fancyful that liberals like you defend mass murderers and yet you try
to .... Oh... You know...

Which mass murderers would that be, you lying pisshead? Oh and look up
fanciful while you're at it.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
Read the fucking articles that you post, make an effort to understand what's
going on, see that the poor man is beyond help, beyond punishment, but not
beyond mercy, pity and understanding.

95 years old... read that you stupid moronic liberal and think about it...

So what, so fuckin what? You're the one whingeing about an elderly man
being let off, and now whingeing about another not being let off. Which do
you want?

It's the time that has passed since the events and the impossibility of a robust
defense that is at issue not the age of the person accused...

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[Sophistry Made Simple]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden have to be
before you think that they should stop searching for him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only too
happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged crimes, and
retire into a happy old age under your moral protection. You are all heart.

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden have to be
before you think that they should stop searching for him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only too
happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged crimes, and
retire into a happy old age under your moral protection. You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either way... You
know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63 or more years ago...
What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to mount a defence of some alleged
incident back then... That is why the whole idea of still hunting for
"nazis" is now nothing more then revenge and not justice at all...

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[Sophistry Made Simple]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden have to be
before you think that they should stop searching for him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only too
happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged crimes, and
retire into a happy old age under your moral protection. You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either way... You
know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63 or more years ago...
What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to mount a defence of some alleged
incident back then... That is why the whole idea of still hunting for
"nazis" is now nothing more then revenge and not justice at all...

No it isn't - it's all about justice. It's not about some alleged incident,
they are tried and convicted if found guilty. All above board, even if they
don't get nailed to the wall as you'd like them to be.

So you'll be happy enough for bin Laden to walk free if he makes it to 2051
or so, say another 40 years - would that be enough?

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:54:40 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden have to be
before you think that they should stop searching for him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only too
happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged crimes, and
retire into a happy old age under your moral protection. You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either way... You
know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63 or more years ago...
What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to mount a defence of some alleged
incident back then... That is why the whole idea of still hunting for
"nazis" is now nothing more then revenge and not justice at all...

No it isn't - it's all about justice.

A 95 year old man is brought before a court about something that allegedly
happed some 64 or more years ago... And you call this "justice"? Knowing full
well how hard it would be to mount a robust defense?

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
It's not about some alleged incident,
they are tried and convicted if found guilty.

Isn't it always alleged until conviction? Or do you find trials just a pain on
the arse and would prefer to hang him from the nearest tree???

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
All above board, even if they
don't get nailed to the wall as you'd like them to be.
So you'll be happy enough for bin Laden to walk free if he makes it to 2051
or so, say another 40 years - would that be enough?

We're discussing a man convicted of some sort of crime over 60 years ago and my
argument is that it's impossible to mount a robust defense because of the amount
of time gone by... Evidence... Witnessess... perhaps long dead...

To proceed with such a trial is a mockery of justice and a slap in the face of
humanity.. it is pure blood lust and revenge... And nothing more... Which puts
them at the same level as the very nazis they claim to put to justice...

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[Sophistry Made Simple]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:54:40 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden have
to
be
before you think that they should stop searching for him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of
time
that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only too
happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged crimes, and
retire into a happy old age under your moral protection. You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either
way...
You
know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63 or more years ago...
What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to mount a defence of some alleged
incident back then... That is why the whole idea of still hunting for
"nazis" is now nothing more then revenge and not justice at all...

No it isn't - it's all about justice.

A 95 year old man is brought before a court about something that allegedly
happed some 64 or more years ago... And you call this "justice"? Knowing full
well how hard it would be to mount a robust defense?

If he's innocent he's got nothing to worry about, has he? His lawyers won't
be 95, his age doesn't affect how 'robust' his defence is or isn't.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
It's not about some alleged incident,
they are tried and convicted if found guilty.

Isn't it always alleged until conviction? Or do you find trials just a pain on
the arse and would prefer to hang him from the nearest tree???

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
All above board, even if they
don't get nailed to the wall as you'd like them to be.
So you'll be happy enough for bin Laden to walk free if he makes it to 2051
or so, say another 40 years - would that be enough?

We're discussing a man convicted of some sort of crime over 60 years ago and my
argument is that it's impossible to mount a robust defense because of the amount
of time gone by... Evidence... Witnessess... perhaps long dead...

In that case it would be equally impossible to mount a robust prosecution -
what are you worried about.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
To proceed with such a trial is a mockery of justice and a slap in the face of
humanity.. it is pure blood lust and revenge... And nothing more...
Which puts
them at the same level as the very nazis they claim to put to justice...

To proceed with such a trial is a vindication of justice and a reminder to
all who would commit such crimes against humanity. It shows that we can
rise above the level of these nazis that you admire and sympathise with.
There should be no escape, no statute of limitations for these monsters.

[Al Nakba]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

How old was he at the time?  How old will, say, Osama bin Laden have to
be
before you think that they should stop searching for him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only too
happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged crimes, and
retire into a happy old age under your moral protection.  You are all
heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny!  Either way...
You
know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63 or more years ago...
What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to mount a defence of some alleged
incident back then...     That is why the whole idea of still hunting for
"nazis" is now nothing more then revenge and not justice at all...

No it isn't - it's all about justice.  It's not about some alleged incident,
they are tried and convicted if found guilty.  All above board, even if they
don't get nailed to the wall as you'd like them to be.
So you'll be happy enough for bin Laden to walk free if he makes it to 2051
or so, say another 40 years - would that be enough?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

"Please Don't Be beastly to the Muslims" ..a rewrite of an old song..
http://beecy.net/frank

[Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only
too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged
crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral protection.
You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either
way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63
or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to
mount a defence of some alleged incident back then... That is why
the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more then
revenge and not justice at all...

So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What
justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good indeed! Do
as you would be done by!

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

Post by Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only
too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged
crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral protection.
You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either
way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63
or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to
mount a defence of some alleged incident back then... That is why
the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more then
revenge and not justice at all...

So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What
justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good indeed! Do
as you would be done by!

Now your just being ridiculous!

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.]

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:23:01 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."

Post by Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only
too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged
crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral
protection. You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either
way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened
63 or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of
ANYONE to mount a defence of some alleged incident back then...
That is why the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now
nothing more then revenge and not justice at all...

So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What
justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good
indeed! Do as you would be done by!

Now your just being ridiculous!

I don't think so! - It is clearly YOU who is ridiculous Ray, nobody else.

[David C Jones]

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:23:01 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."

Post by Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only
too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged
crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral protection.
You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either
way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63
or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to
mount a defence of some alleged incident back then... That is why
the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more then
revenge and not justice at all...

So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What
justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good indeed! Do
as you would be done by!

Now your just being ridiculous!

Of course he isnt, just because they are your republican bum chums it makes
all the difference to you.
Revenge is sweet and may adams and his cronies get thier just deserts

Ray
---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[William Clark]

Post by Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only
too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged
crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral protection.
You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either
way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63
or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to
mount a defence of some alleged incident back then... That is why
the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more then
revenge and not justice at all...

So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What
justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good indeed! Do
as you would be done by!

Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of
limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none. That
is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism. The civilized
world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace
until they pay for their crimes. Hunt them down until every last one of
the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.

William Clark

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark

Post by William Clark

Post by Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only
too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged
crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral protection.
You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either
way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63
or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to
mount a defence of some alleged incident back then... That is why
the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more then
revenge and not justice at all...

So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What
justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good indeed! Do
as you would be done by!

Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of
limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none.

They already know this...

Post by William Clark
That
is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism.

What about Stalin? What about Dresden? Stalin killed 20 million people, and
Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily useless... Yet some say
500 thousand people died in the wildfires... Harris has statues to him... If
the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a kangaroo court
and be executed for crimes against humanity?

Post by William Clark
The civilized
world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace
until they pay for their crimes.

When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for "civilized"?

Post by William Clark
Hunt them down until every last one of
the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
William Clark

Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[William A. T. Clark]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark

Post by William Clark

Post by Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of
time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only
too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged
crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral protection.
You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either
way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63
or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to
mount a defence of some alleged incident back then... That is why
the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more then
revenge and not justice at all...

So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What
justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good indeed! Do
as you would be done by!

Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of
limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none.

They already know this...

Post by William Clark
That
is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism.

What about Stalin? What about Dresden? Stalin killed 20 million people, and
Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily useless... Yet some say
500 thousand people died in the wildfires... Harris has statues to him...
If
the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a kangaroo court
and be executed for crimes against humanity?

Post by William Clark
The civilized
world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace
until they pay for their crimes.

When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for "civilized"?

Post by William Clark
Hunt them down until every last one of
the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
William Clark

Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
Ray
---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you feel about
the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like you BNP
buddies?

William Clark

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark

Post by William Clark

Post by Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of
time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only
too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged
crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral protection.
You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either
way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63
or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to
mount a defence of some alleged incident back then... That is why
the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more then
revenge and not justice at all...

So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What
justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good indeed! Do
as you would be done by!

Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of
limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none.

They already know this...

Post by William Clark
That
is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism.

What about Stalin? What about Dresden? Stalin killed 20 million people, and
Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily useless... Yet some say
500 thousand people died in the wildfires... Harris has statues to him...
If
the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a kangaroo court
and be executed for crimes against humanity?

Post by William Clark
The civilized
world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace
until they pay for their crimes.

When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for "civilized"?

Post by William Clark
Hunt them down until every last one of
the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
William Clark

Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
Ray
---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you feel about
the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like you BNP
buddies?
William Clark

You stupid socialist! You've lost the argument and resort to calling me a
Nazi... Very original! <yawn>

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[William A. T. Clark]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark

Post by William Clark

Post by Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of
time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only
too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged
crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral protection.
You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either
way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63
or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to
mount a defence of some alleged incident back then... That is why
the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more then
revenge and not justice at all...

So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What
justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good indeed! Do
as you would be done by!

Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of
limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none.

They already know this...

Post by William Clark
That
is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism.

What about Stalin? What about Dresden? Stalin killed 20 million people, and
Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily useless... Yet
some
say
500 thousand people died in the wildfires... Harris has statues to him...
If
the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a kangaroo court
and be executed for crimes against humanity?

Post by William Clark
The civilized
world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace
until they pay for their crimes.

When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for "civilized"?

Post by William Clark
Hunt them down until every last one of
the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
William Clark

Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
Ray
---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you feel about
the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like you BNP
buddies?
William Clark

You stupid socialist! You've lost the argument and resort to calling me a
Nazi... Very original! <yawn>
Ray

Says he, once again evading the question directly put to him. If you
could read and comprehend, you would see that I very clearly did NOT
call you a Nazi, so your faux wounded dignity is just another sham.

Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?

William Clark

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark

Post by William Clark

Post by Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of
time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only
too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged
crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral protection.
You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either
way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63
or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to
mount a defence of some alleged incident back then... That is why
the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more then
revenge and not justice at all...

So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What
justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good indeed! Do
as you would be done by!

Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of
limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none.

They already know this...

Post by William Clark
That
is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism.

What about Stalin? What about Dresden? Stalin killed 20 million people, and
Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily useless... Yet
some
say
500 thousand people died in the wildfires... Harris has statues to him...
If
the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a kangaroo court
and be executed for crimes against humanity?

Post by William Clark
The civilized
world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace
until they pay for their crimes.

When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for "civilized"?

Post by William Clark
Hunt them down until every last one of
the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
William Clark

Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
Ray
---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you feel about
the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like you BNP
buddies?
William Clark

You stupid socialist! You've lost the argument and resort to calling me a
Nazi... Very original! <yawn>
Ray

Says he, once again evading the question directly put to him. If you
could read and comprehend, you would see that I very clearly did NOT
call you a Nazi, so your faux wounded dignity is just another sham.
Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?

Do you? And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[William A. T. Clark]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
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Post by Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

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Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount
of
time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only
too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged
crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral
protection.
You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either
way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63
or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to
mount a defence of some alleged incident back then... That is why
the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more then
revenge and not justice at all...

So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What
justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good
indeed!
Do
as you would be done by!

Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of
limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none.

They already know this...

Post by William Clark
That
is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism.

What about Stalin? What about Dresden? Stalin killed 20 million
people,
and
Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily useless... Yet
some
say
500 thousand people died in the wildfires... Harris has statues to him...
If
the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a kangaroo court
and be executed for crimes against humanity?

Post by William Clark
The civilized
world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace
until they pay for their crimes.

When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for "civilized"?

Post by William Clark
Hunt them down until every last one of
the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
William Clark

Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
Ray
---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you feel about
the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like you BNP
buddies?
William Clark

You stupid socialist! You've lost the argument and resort to calling me a
Nazi... Very original! <yawn>
Ray

Says he, once again evading the question directly put to him. If you
could read and comprehend, you would see that I very clearly did NOT
call you a Nazi, so your faux wounded dignity is just another sham.
Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?

Do you? And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?
Ray

Still slippery as ever, he refuses to answer the question yet again.
Since my father was involved in liberating some of the concentration
camps as WWII came to an end, the answer is "absolutely".

Now, just answer the question - do you deny their scale and/or existence?

Just so we all know.

William Clark

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:55:05 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

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Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark

Post by William Clark

Post by Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount
of
time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be
only
too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his
alleged
crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral
protection.
You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny! Either
way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened
63
or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE
to
mount a defence of some alleged incident back then... That is
why
the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more
then
revenge and not justice at all...

So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What
justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good
indeed!
Do
as you would be done by!

Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of
limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none.

They already know this...

Post by William Clark
That
is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism.

What about Stalin? What about Dresden? Stalin killed 20 million
people,
and
Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily useless... Yet
some
say
500 thousand people died in the wildfires... Harris has statues to him...
If
the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a kangaroo court
and be executed for crimes against humanity?

Post by William Clark
The civilized
world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace
until they pay for their crimes.

When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for "civilized"?

Post by William Clark
Hunt them down until every last one of
the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
William Clark

Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
Ray
---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you feel about
the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like you BNP
buddies?
William Clark

You stupid socialist! You've lost the argument and resort to calling me a
Nazi... Very original! <yawn>
Ray

Says he, once again evading the question directly put to him. If you
could read and comprehend, you would see that I very clearly did NOT
call you a Nazi, so your faux wounded dignity is just another sham.
Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?

Do you? And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?
Ray

Still slippery as ever, he refuses to answer the question yet again.
Since my father was involved in liberating some of the concentration
camps as WWII came to an end, the answer is "absolutely".
Now, just answer the question - do you deny their scale and/or existence?
Just so we all know.
William Clark

You are even more slippery as you avoided the direct questions I put to you...

Now, burn down the straw man and engage the facts... And answer the questions!

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[William A. T. Clark]

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:55:05 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

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Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

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Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

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Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark

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Post by Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

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Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple
How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin
Laden
have to be before you think that they should stop searching
for
him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the
amount
of
time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be
only
too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his
alleged
crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral
protection.
You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny!
Either
way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that
happened
63
or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of
ANYONE
to
mount a defence of some alleged incident back then... That
is
why
the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more
then
revenge and not justice at all...

So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews?
What
justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good
indeed!
Do
as you would be done by!

Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of
limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none.

They already know this...

Post by William Clark
That
is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism.

What about Stalin? What about Dresden? Stalin killed 20 million
people,
and
Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily useless...
Yet
some
say
500 thousand people died in the wildfires... Harris has statues to
him...
If
the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a
kangaroo
court
and be executed for crimes against humanity?

Post by William Clark
The civilized
world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace
until they pay for their crimes.

When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for "civilized"?

Post by William Clark
Hunt them down until every last one of
the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
William Clark

Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
Ray
---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you feel about
the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like you BNP
buddies?
William Clark

You stupid socialist! You've lost the argument and resort to calling me a
Nazi... Very original! <yawn>
Ray

Says he, once again evading the question directly put to him. If you
could read and comprehend, you would see that I very clearly did NOT
call you a Nazi, so your faux wounded dignity is just another sham.
Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?

Do you? And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?
Ray

Still slippery as ever, he refuses to answer the question yet again.
Since my father was involved in liberating some of the concentration
camps as WWII came to an end, the answer is "absolutely".
Now, just answer the question - do you deny their scale and/or existence?
Just so we all know.
William Clark

You are even more slippery as you avoided the direct questions I put to you...
Now, burn down the straw man and engage the facts... And answer the questions!
Ray

No, Ray, HERE'S the question - "How do you feel about the gas chambers,
or do you think they never existed, just like your BNP buddies?

That was the original question, which you have tried every dissemination
known to man to avoid answering. So just answer it - now. No straw man,
just a direct question seeking a direct answer.

William Clark

[j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com]

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:55:05 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark

Post by William Clark

Post by Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

How old was he at the time?  How old will, say, Osama bin
Laden
have to be before you think that they should stop searching
for
him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the
amount
of
time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be
only
too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his
alleged
crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral
protection.
You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny!  
Either
way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that
happened
63
or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of
ANYONE
to
mount a defence of some alleged incident back then...     That
is
why
the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more
then
revenge and not justice at all...

So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews?
What
justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good
indeed!
Do
as you would be done by!

Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of
limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none.

They already know this...  

Post by William Clark
That
is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism.

What about Stalin?  What about Dresden?  Stalin killed 20 million
people,
and
Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily useless...  
Yet
some
say
500 thousand people died in the wildfires...  Harris has statues to
him...
If
the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a
kangaroo
court
and be executed for crimes against humanity?

Post by William Clark
The civilized
world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace
until they pay for their crimes.

When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for "civilized"?

Post by William Clark
Hunt them down until every last one of
the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
William Clark

Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
Ray
---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you feel about
the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like you BNP
buddies?
William Clark

You stupid socialist!  You've lost the argument and resort to calling
me a
Nazi...  Very original!  <yawn>
Ray

Says he, once again evading the question directly put to him. If you
could read and comprehend, you would see that I very clearly did NOT
call you a Nazi, so your faux wounded dignity is just another sham.
Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?

Do you?  And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?
Ray

Still slippery as ever, he refuses to answer the question yet again.
Since my father was involved in liberating some of the concentration
camps as WWII came to an end, the answer is "absolutely".
Now, just answer the question - do you deny their scale and/or existence?
Just so we all know.
William Clark

You are even more slippery as you avoided the direct questions I put to you...
Now, burn down the straw man and engage the facts...  And answer the
questions!
Ray

No, Ray, HERE'S the question - "How do you feel about the gas chambers,
or do you think they never existed, just like yourBNPbuddies?

What's this idiotic mention of the BNP? what do the BNP have to do
with
holocaust denial or turning a blind eye to crimes against humanity?

I think you will find that the views of of the BNP are that ALL those
involved in
crimes against humanity should be brought to justice, regardless of if
they are Nazi
or Communist crimes

This of course is contrary to the views of the lefty liberals and the
criminals who run the
EU who only think that only Nazi thugs can commit crimes against
hunanity.

Well of course they do, because you will find these very criminals
deep at the political heart
of the the EU and UK, as this article by the Lee Barnes shows:

http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2008/07/victors-justice-and-war-crimes.html

Victors Justice and War Crimes.


For far too long the West has embraced collective amnesia over its
past.

Whilst it investigates and prosecutes those involved in crimes against
humanity who fought for Germany and the Axis nations, those that lost
the war, the victors of the war, the democracies of Europe have never
investigated their own criminality and involvement in war crimes
during the war.

This is why the new investigation into the war crimes of Jewish
partisans in Lithuania during the war is a long overdue victory for
their restless dead.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/7508375.stm

The prize of 'victors justice' is that the victor gets to write
history and thereby defines who the criminals are, and who are not.

The victors seldom investigate their own crimes.

The sign of a healthy democracy is one that applies universal moral
standards, not just against its enemies, but against itself.

For far too long the mythos of our moral superiority has allowed us to
escape objective self scrutiny, but the time has come now for to come
clean about the past.

The British government has spent 200 million pounds on investigating
the events of Bloody Sunday, but it has never spent a penny
investigating the crimes of Zionist terrorists against British
civilians and soldiers in Palestine during and after the war.

Nor has the British government ever investigated those who were
subsidised and funded by the Communist regimes of Europe, such as
Arthur Scargill and also those politians who were members of those
parties that supported the communist genocide, such as the Communist
Party of Great Britain.

Today the Germans are not our enemy and nor are any other European
nations, so therefore the time has come for our country to confront
its own crimes committed during the war, and also to remedy our
historical failure to investigate and prosecute the Communists who ran
the death camps of the gulag archipeligo during the ear of the The
Cold War.

If we are to demonstrate our comradeship with those nations such as
Germany, then we must demonstrate our willingness to prosecute the
criminals that still alive amongst us, and not just the criminals that
still live amongst them.

The time has come to tell the truth about the past and to cease
peddling the facile propaganda that we, and our people, never
committed any crimes during the war.

The murders of German prisoners of war in prison camps under British
control, the deliberate starvation of german civilians and prisoners
suspected of being nazi sympathisers and the crimes commited by
British troops during the war must all be investigated.

At the same time the crimes of those of all nations, including the
Zionist terrorists of Irgun and the Stern Gang of Israel must be
arrested for their crimes against British soldiers in Palestine.

The SS officer who ordered the execution of surrendered British
soldiers during the war is as much a war criminal as the Irgun gang
terrorists who planted the bomb in the King David Hotel in Palestine
( where 91 people were killed, most of them staff of the hotel or
Secretariat: 28 British citizens, 41 Arabs, 17 Jews, and 5 others )
during their war against the British Empire to create Israel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

http://www.rense.com/general77/truman.htm

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm

Whilst the EU is quick to pass Holocaust Denial laws and to condemn
'nazism and racism', the EU has never demanded any ivestigations into
the crimes of the Soviet Union, the Zionists in Palestine or the
Communists either during or after the war.

This is because many of the EU politicians, and UK ones like Jack
Straw, were working for and members of the Communist Parties of Europe
at that time when the death camps of the gulags were eradicating
innocent people in their tens of millions.

Whilst the ovens of Auschwitz were turned into tourist attractions,
Europe pretended not to notice the stench emanating from the millions
of dead bodies slaughtered in death camps of the Communist regime
across our continent.

Whilst the court historians in the pay of he victors constructed their
propaganda narratives to peddle to the public, their pens never wrote
of the crimes committed in the names of democracy, liberty and
communism.

When the Berlin Wall came down and the Cold War ended, the communist
killers and their accomplices were protected by the Liberals and the
Far Left who had infiltrated our national political systems.

The EU is still today infested with ex-communist judges, ex-communist
politicians and the technicians of the communist genocide.

There are more communist criminals in the European Parliament than in
the prisons of Europe.

Their hands are still sticky with the blood of the criminal regimes
they supported either politically or phsyically, yet they have never
paid for their crimes.

Whilst European nations arrest, prosecute and imprison people for
denying the Holocaust and arrest nazi criminals across the world, the
crimes of the communists have never even been investigated.

This is the moral sickness at the heart of Europe, that the innocent
victims of the nazis are somehow more deserving than the innoocent
victims of the communists and the democrats.

This must change.

The communists who killed ten times as many people as the Nazis did,
must now face justice.

The Black Book of Communism revealed to the world the crimes of the
Communists, but it was greeted with apathy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Book_of_Communism

The criminals of communism must now face justice in order that the
ghosts of their victims be able to rest.

The time has come for the victors to apply the same laws to themselves
that they imposed upon the losers.

Therefore is required ;


1) An investigation and prosecutions of those involved in crimes
against humanity and the socialist genocide of the Soviet Union and
Communist China - this would include those involved in executions, the
organising of artifical famines, running the gulags and those who
killed innocent civilians during the Stalinist Purges and the Cultural
Revolution of Chairman Mao. Investigations into the Katyn massacre and
also the arrest of those that participated in and planned the
invasions of Finland, Estonia, Poland etc and those involved in
crushing the uprisings against Russian Soviet Union invaders such as
in Hungary.

2) An investigation into the crimes of partisans and resistance
fighters in all European nations during the Second World War and the
arrest and prosecution of all those involved in war crimes and crimes
against humanity.

3) Investigations into the individuals involved in murders, crimes
against humanity and peace crimes, such as those by the Russian
soldiers in Berlin after the surrender of Germany, the individuals
involved in reprisal attacks on German civilians after the war and the
arrest of those involved in the torture and murder of civilians
labelled as 'collaborators' in cities such as Paris after the end of
the war.

4) An investigation set up to look into the murders of British
soldiers in Palestine by members of the Stern Gang and Irgun with the
intent to extradite and prosecute any living terrorists.

[Falcon]

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Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
Whilst the EU is quick to pass Holocaust Denial laws and to condemn
'nazism and racism', the EU has never demanded any ivestigations into
the crimes of the Soviet Union, the Zionists in Palestine or the
Communists either during or after the war.

It wasn't quick, it took more than ten years.

The law, agreed in 2007 by the 27 member states, made it an offence to
incite violence or hatred against a person's race, color, religion, descent
or national or ethnic origin and to condone or grossly trivialise crimes of
genocide. As such it does not differentiate between parties to genocide, nor
does it make denying the Holocaust or any other act of genocide, an offence
unless "the conduct is carried out in a manner likely to incite violence or
hatred".

Legally, that's not easy to prove. Most people do it because they're fucking
stupid.

As for the EU demanding investigations, I'm not aware of it demanding and
investigation into the Holocaust either, but the EU did agree that the
European Commission would prepare a Green Paper on all 20th-century
genocidal crimes and carry out a review of whether denying these should come
under the scope of the race-hate law.

[Falcon]

Post by Falcon
[...]

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
Whilst the EU is quick to pass Holocaust Denial laws and to condemn
'nazism and racism', the EU has never demanded any ivestigations into
the crimes of the Soviet Union, the Zionists in Palestine or the
Communists either during or after the war.

It wasn't quick, it took more than ten years.
The law, agreed in 2007 by the 27 member states, made it an offence to
incite violence or hatred against a person's race, color, religion,
descent or national or ethnic origin and to condone or grossly trivialise
crimes of genocide. As such it does not differentiate between parties to
genocide, nor does it make denying the Holocaust or any other act of
genocide, an offence unless "the conduct is carried out in a manner likely
to incite violence or hatred".
Legally, that's not easy to prove. Most people do it because they're
fucking stupid.
As for the EU demanding investigations, I'm not aware of it demanding and
investigation into the Holocaust either, but the EU did agree that the
European Commission would prepare a Green Paper on all 20th-century
genocidal crimes and carry out a review of whether denying these should
come under the scope of the race-hate law.

By the way, there was no change as result of the agreement in Britain, where
there are already penalties of up to seven years for inciting racial hatred
under the Religious and Racial Hatred Act of 2006, which was used as a model
for the final EU text.

[j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com]

Post by Falcon
[...]

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
Whilst the EU is quick to pass Holocaust Denial laws and to condemn
'nazism and racism', the EU has never demanded any ivestigations into
the crimes of the Soviet Union, the Zionists in Palestine or the
Communists either during or after the war.

It wasn't quick, it took more than ten years.

Super quick when compared to the laws past condemning the communist
crimes of mass murder. Which have not been
past, and willl never likely to be.

Post by Falcon
The law, agreed in 2007 by the 27 member states, made it an offence to
incite violence or hatred against a person's race, color, religion, descent
or national or ethnic origin and to condone or grossly trivialise crimes of
genocide. As such it does not differentiate between parties to genocide, nor
does it make denying the Holocaust or any other act of genocide, an offence
unless "the conduct is carried out in a manner likely to incite violence or
hatred".

"The definition of genocide will be that set at the Nuremberg trials
and by the International Criminal Court, meaning it will include Nazi
crimes and those in Rwanda and Yugoslavia but not the Armenian
genocide - a definition disputed by Turkey.

Poland, Slovenia and the Baltic states lobbied hard for - but failed
to win - the inclusion of a crime of denying, condoning or
trivialising atrocities committed in the name of Joseph Stalin."

So the EU believe that mass murder is fine, so long as it's not of a
genocidel, or racist, nature.

Post by Falcon
Legally, that's not easy to prove. Most people do it because they're fucking
stupid.
As for the EU demanding investigations, I'm not aware of it demanding and
investigation into the Holocaust either, but the EU did agree that the
European Commission would prepare a Green Paper on all 20th-century
genocidal crimes and carry out a review of whether denying these should come
under the scope of the race-hate law.

Again no mention of the the crimes of mass muder commited by
communists. Political
crimes are fine, so say the EU, covering their arses

Post by Falcon
--
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
------------------------------

[Falcon]

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com

Post by Falcon
[...]

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
Whilst the EU is quick to pass Holocaust Denial laws and to condemn
'nazism and racism', the EU has never demanded any ivestigations into
the crimes of the Soviet Union, the Zionists in Palestine or the
Communists either during or after the war.

It wasn't quick, it took more than ten years.

Super quick when compared to the laws past condemning the communist
crimes of mass murder. Which have not been
past, and willl never likely to be.

"Which has not been past.." ?

I wonder at what point a kill-file bloated with the names of illiterate
xenophobic morons begins to affect the smooth operation of a computer?
Time to find out.

[j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com]

Post by Falcon

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com

Post by Falcon
[...]

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
Whilst the EU is quick to pass Holocaust Denial laws and to condemn
'nazism and racism', the EU has never demanded any ivestigations into
the crimes of the Soviet Union, the Zionists in Palestine or the
Communists either during or after the war.

It wasn't quick, it took more than ten years.

Super quick when compared to the laws past condemning the communist
crimes of mass murder. Which have not been
past, and willl never likely to be.

"Which has not been past.." ?
I wonder at what point a kill-file bloated with the names of illiterate
xenophobic morons begins to affect the smooth operation of a computer?
Time to find out

Keep ya mouth closed or ya'll swallow sand.

Post by Falcon
--
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
Wayne Bland, Royal Signals [1987-2008]http://xrl.us/onkvu(Link towww.mod.uk)
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[Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.]

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:55:05 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark

Post by William Clark

Post by Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made

How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin
Laden
have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
him?

It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount
of
time that has
passed since the alleged events took place...

Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only
too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged
crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral
protection.
You are all heart.

Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny!
Either
way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened
63
or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE
to
mount a defence of some alleged incident back then... That
is
why
the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more then
revenge and not justice at all...

So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What
justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is
good indeed!
Do
as you would be done by!

Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO
stature of limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide,
absolutely none.

They already know this...

Post by William Clark
That
is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism.

What about Stalin? What about Dresden? Stalin killed 20
million people,
and
Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily
useless... Yet
some
say
500 thousand people died in the wildfires... Harris has
statues to him...
If
the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a
kangaroo
court
and be executed for crimes against humanity?

Post by William Clark
The civilized
world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards
no peace until they pay for their crimes.

When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for "civilized"?

Post by William Clark
Hunt them down until every last one of
the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
William Clark

Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
Ray
---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the
salvage of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you feel about
the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like you BNP
buddies?
William Clark

You stupid socialist! You've lost the argument and resort to
calling me a
Nazi... Very original! <yawn>
Ray

Says he, once again evading the question directly put to him. If
you could read and comprehend, you would see that I very clearly
did NOT call you a Nazi, so your faux wounded dignity is just
another sham.
Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?

Do you? And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?
Ray

Still slippery as ever, he refuses to answer the question yet
again. Since my father was involved in liberating some of the
concentration camps as WWII came to an end, the answer is
"absolutely".
Now, just answer the question - do you deny their scale and/or existence?
Just so we all know.
William Clark

You are even more slippery as you avoided the direct questions I put to you...
Now, burn down the straw man and engage the facts... And answer the
questions!
Ray

No, Ray, HERE'S the question - "How do you feel about the gas
chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like
yourBNPbuddies?

What's this idiotic mention of the BNP?

READ, and understand what he said! BNP Buddies??? No?

what do the BNP have to do

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
with
holocaust denial or turning a blind eye to crimes against humanity?

He didn't say, OR imply, anything of the kind.

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
I think you will find that the views of of the BNP are that ALL those
involved in
crimes against humanity should be brought to justice, regardless of if
they are Nazi
or Communist crimes

I am sure you are right, but it wasn't the issue.

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
This of course is contrary to the views of the lefty liberals and the
criminals who run the
EU who only think that only Nazi thugs can commit crimes against
hunanity.

Really? Says who?

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
Well of course they do, because you will find these very criminals
deep at the political heart
http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2008/07/victors-justice-and-war-crimes.html
Victors Justice and War Crimes.
For far too long the West has embraced collective amnesia over its
past.
Whilst it investigates and prosecutes those involved in crimes against
humanity who fought for Germany and the Axis nations, those that lost
the war, the victors of the war, the democracies of Europe have never
investigated their own criminality and involvement in war crimes
during the war.
This is why the new investigation into the war crimes of Jewish
partisans in Lithuania during the war is a long overdue victory for
their restless dead.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/7508375.stm
The prize of 'victors justice' is that the victor gets to write
history and thereby defines who the criminals are, and who are not.

I notice you do not example the Palestinians and various other Muslim
nations to have "their" war crimes investgated. - And what about the many
outrages perpetrated by Republican Irish under the guise of the PIRA?
Certainly war crimes!

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
The victors seldom investigate their own crimes.

Why should they, they are victors!

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
The sign of a healthy democracy is one that applies universal moral
standards, not just against its enemies, but against itself.

Bullshit! WAR is NOT democratic. Democracy rules cannot apply.

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
For far too long the mythos of our moral superiority has allowed us to
escape objective self scrutiny, but the time has come now for to come
clean about the past.

Far, FAR, too much PC here. The past is done, gone and good reddance to it.
We should learn from it, but anything else is pure revenge after the event.

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
The British government has spent 200 million pounds on investigating
the events of Bloody Sunday, but it has never spent a penny
investigating the crimes of Zionist terrorists against British
civilians and soldiers in Palestine during and after the war.

£200 millions of totally wasted monies that would have built something
usefull such as a hospital or gone into education. Totally wasted and no
results!!

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
Nor has the British government ever investigated those who were
subsidised and funded by the Communist regimes of Europe, such as
Arthur Scargill and also those politians who were members of those
parties that supported the communist genocide, such as the Communist
Party of Great Britain.

What is the point? More wasted monies!

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
Today the Germans are not our enemy and nor are any other European
nations, so therefore the time has come for our country to confront
its own crimes committed during the war, and also to remedy our
historical failure to investigate and prosecute the Communists who ran
the death camps of the gulag archipeligo during the ear of the The
Cold War.

Bullshit. The Germans still could not be trusted not to do the same thing
again should another Hitler appear. Why do you think the Germans are so
disliked as a nation by all the EU countries? Oh, and the Commiunists were
victors, no? Fighting a war, no? Not democratic I think!

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
If we are to demonstrate our comradeship with those nations such as
Germany, then we must demonstrate our willingness to prosecute the
criminals that still alive amongst us, and not just the criminals that
still live amongst them.

So, why do they not prosecute "us" then? - Apart from the fact that those
self same "criminals" are mostly long since dead, it would be a complete
waste of good money.

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
The time has come to tell the truth about the past and to cease
peddling the facile propaganda that we, and our people, never
committed any crimes during the war.

Nobody, SFAIK, has done any such thing. What planet are you on?

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
The murders of German prisoners of war in prison camps under British
control, the deliberate starvation of german civilians and prisoners
suspected of being nazi sympathisers and the crimes commited by
British troops during the war must all be investigated.

EH?? In your imagination perhaps. No proof? Just your own opinion based on
wishfull thinking?

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
At the same time the crimes of those of all nations, including the
Zionist terrorists of Irgun and the Stern Gang of Israel must be
arrested for their crimes against British soldiers in Palestine.

What? They are guerrelas, not servicemen. They are all dead now any way.
What a stupid suggestion.

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
The SS officer who ordered the execution of surrendered British
soldiers during the war is as much a war criminal as the Irgun gang
terrorists who planted the bomb in the King David Hotel in Palestine
( where 91 people were killed, most of them staff of the hotel or
Secretariat: 28 British citizens, 41 Arabs, 17 Jews, and 5 others )
during their war against the British Empire to create Israel.

Most of these have already been tried and punished. Isn't that what
Nurembourg was all about?

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
http://www.rense.com/general77/truman.htm
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm
Whilst the EU is quick to pass Holocaust Denial laws and to condemn
'nazism and racism', the EU has never demanded any ivestigations into
the crimes of the Soviet Union, the Zionists in Palestine or the
Communists either during or after the war.

Fat lot of good that would do! Never going to happen!

Post by j***@robbiekeane.zzn.com
This is because many of the EU politicians, and UK ones like Jack
Straw, were working for and members of the Communist Parties of Europe
at that time when the death camps of the gulags were eradicating
innocent people in their tens of millions.

......."SNIP of endless rant".............

I have seldom heard of such impractical suggestions all posted so lengthily
in one post! A good precis should be short and to the point, not an endless
rant!

[Ilas]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark
Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?

Do you? And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?

William, you might want to look at some of the stuff posted by "Ray
Hourigan" in this newsgroup (SCI), maybe about 10 years back. That's our
Raymond. It's not pretty, and I for one don't think the man has changed
much (although he does seem to hit the gutrot a lot more).

[William A. T. Clark]

Post by Ilas

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark
Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?

Do you? And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?

William, you might want to look at some of the stuff posted by "Ray
Hourigan" in this newsgroup (SCI), maybe about 10 years back. That's our
Raymond. It's not pretty, and I for one don't think the man has changed
much (although he does seem to hit the gutrot a lot more).

Indeed, although I don't think it is necessary to go back ten years to
expose Ray's Nazi tendencies. Just watch him wriggle out of answering
this direct question, and you have your answer.

QED,

William Clark

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:06:34 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Ilas

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark
Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?

Do you? And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?

William, you might want to look at some of the stuff posted by "Ray
Hourigan" in this newsgroup (SCI), maybe about 10 years back. That's our
Raymond. It's not pretty, and I for one don't think the man has changed
much (although he does seem to hit the gutrot a lot more).

Indeed, although I don't think it is necessary to go back ten years to
expose Ray's Nazi tendencies. Just watch him wriggle out of answering
this direct question, and you have your answer.
QED,
William Clark

Your so sad... I almost feel pity... But then I remember your just a stupid
liberal, and I laugh!

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[William A. T. Clark]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:06:34 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Ilas

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark
Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?

Do you? And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?

William, you might want to look at some of the stuff posted by "Ray
Hourigan" in this newsgroup (SCI), maybe about 10 years back. That's our
Raymond. It's not pretty, and I for one don't think the man has changed
much (although he does seem to hit the gutrot a lot more).

Indeed, although I don't think it is necessary to go back ten years to
expose Ray's Nazi tendencies. Just watch him wriggle out of answering
this direct question, and you have your answer.
QED,
William Clark

Your so sad... I almost feel pity... But then I remember your just a stupid
liberal, and I laugh!
Ray

Nice try, Ray, but everyone in the world can see you trying desperately
to wriggle out of answering a direct question. . . .yet again.

Here's the question one more time - "Do you believe there was a
holocaust, then?"

Straight answer, please.

William Clark

[David C Jones]

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:06:34 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark

Post by Ilas

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"

Post by William A. T. Clark
Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?

Do you? And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?

William, you might want to look at some of the stuff posted by "Ray
Hourigan" in this newsgroup (SCI), maybe about 10 years back. That's our
Raymond. It's not pretty, and I for one don't think the man has changed
much (although he does seem to hit the gutrot a lot more).

Indeed, although I don't think it is necessary to go back ten years to
expose Ray's Nazi tendencies. Just watch him wriggle out of answering
this direct question, and you have your answer.
QED,
William Clark

Your so sad... I almost feel pity... But then I remember your just a stupid
liberal, and I laugh!
Ray

Nice try, Ray, but everyone in the world can see you trying desperately
to wriggle out of answering a direct question. . . .yet again.
Here's the question one more time - "Do you believe there was a
holocaust, then?"

ray wouldnt know a straight answer if it hit it him in the face.
All ray is capable of is cut and paste, so Im afraid William, you aint going
to get no straight answer.

Post by William A. T. Clark
Straight answer, please.
William Clark

[Neolithic]

On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:15:57 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
A judge has told a Glasgow pensioner that stopping him going to the pub was a
"more meaningful" sentence than a prison term for killing his wife.
Edward Flaherty, 74, was convicted of strangling 69-year-old Ina Flaherty with a
tie after she refused to give him money to go out drinking.
Lord Matthews said Flaherty's dementia made him unsuited to prison.
He imposed a year-long restriction of liberty order which will keep him inside
his home during opening hours.
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
At the High Court in Glasgow, Lord Matthews told Flaherty that under normal
circumstances he would have been given a prison sentence in double figures.
He said: "I have read and considered a number of reports from experts. It is
plain to me that if I were to impose that sort of sentence you would be released
in a very short time because prison would not be able to cope with your
condition.
The report prepared for the court paints a picture of a man in
significant physical and mental decline
Donald MacLeod
Defence QC
"Sentencing you would just be a token gesture. I am anxious to impose a sentence
that restricts your liberty.
"You still go to the pub where you went with your wife. That must annoy her
relatives.
"Not being able to go there will be a more meaningful disposal than a prison
sentence which will not last long."
During the trial the jury heard that Flaherty said he had no recollection of the
moment he throttled his wife of 52 years in April last year.
When asked who killed her, he said: "It must have been me. There are no ghosts
running about the house who would have done that."
Defence QC Donald MacLeod said: "The report prepared for the court paints a
picture of a man in significant physical and mental decline.
"There is a clear diagnosis of dementia setting in. It is a progressive
condition and ultimately he will need 24-hour care.
"I am deeply conscious there has been a death here, but this man is very unwell.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this was flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm...
Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...

Once again a disgusting self-styled conservative contrives to use yet
another tragedy for political capital - and then to compare the sad actions
of an elderly man suffering from serious mental health issues with the
psychopatic mass-murderers of Nazi Germany is plumbing the depths of
depravity.
That 95 year old Nazi wasn't 95 when he did what he did - he was in the
prime of his physical and mental health and he didn't murder one person in a
fit of mental illness - he murdered millions. That 95 year old Nazi lined
up children, thousands of them at a time, stripped them naked, led them to
open pits where they could see what had already happened to others, and
machine-gunned them pitilessly, heartlessly, mercilessly. Then he went on
to the next town, the next village and did it all over again, for years.
Read the fucking articles that you post, make an effort to understand what's
going on, see that the poor man is beyond help, beyond punishment, but not
beyond mercy, pity and understanding.
Stupid conservatives, no thought, no heart - but can really, like feel, for
poor persecuted Nazis.

But, but...isn't it lack of thought that Ray is accusing all liberals
of?

ffs!

Neolithic

[Sophistry Made Simple]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:15:57 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
A judge has told a Glasgow pensioner that stopping him going to the pub
was
a
"more meaningful" sentence than a prison term for killing his wife.
Edward Flaherty, 74, was convicted of strangling 69-year-old Ina
Flaherty
with a
tie after she refused to give him money to go out drinking.
Lord Matthews said Flaherty's dementia made him unsuited to prison.
He imposed a year-long restriction of liberty order which will keep him inside
his home during opening hours.
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
At the High Court in Glasgow, Lord Matthews told Flaherty that under normal
circumstances he would have been given a prison sentence in double figures.
He said: "I have read and considered a number of reports from experts.
It
is
plain to me that if I were to impose that sort of sentence you would be released
in a very short time because prison would not be able to cope with your
condition.
The report prepared for the court paints a picture of a man in
significant physical and mental decline
Donald MacLeod
Defence QC
"Sentencing you would just be a token gesture. I am anxious to impose a sentence
that restricts your liberty.
"You still go to the pub where you went with your wife. That must annoy her
relatives.
"Not being able to go there will be a more meaningful disposal than a prison
sentence which will not last long."
During the trial the jury heard that Flaherty said he had no
recollection
of the
moment he throttled his wife of 52 years in April last year.
When asked who killed her, he said: "It must have been me. There are no ghosts
running about the house who would have done that."
Defence QC Donald MacLeod said: "The report prepared for the court
paints
a
picture of a man in significant physical and mental decline.
"There is a clear diagnosis of dementia setting in. It is a progressive
condition and ultimately he will need 24-hour care.
"I am deeply conscious there has been a death here, but this man is very unwell.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this
was
flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95
year
old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm...
Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...

Once again a disgusting self-styled conservative contrives to use yet
another tragedy for political capital - and then to compare the sad actions
of an elderly man suffering from serious mental health issues with the
psychopatic mass-murderers of Nazi Germany is plumbing the depths of
depravity.
That 95 year old Nazi wasn't 95 when he did what he did - he was in the
prime of his physical and mental health and he didn't murder one person in a
fit of mental illness - he murdered millions. That 95 year old Nazi lined
up children, thousands of them at a time, stripped them naked, led them to
open pits where they could see what had already happened to others, and
machine-gunned them pitilessly, heartlessly, mercilessly. Then he went on
to the next town, the next village and did it all over again, for years.
Read the fucking articles that you post, make an effort to understand what's
going on, see that the poor man is beyond help, beyond punishment, but not
beyond mercy, pity and understanding.
Stupid conservatives, no thought, no heart - but can really, like feel, for
poor persecuted Nazis.

But, but...isn't it lack of thought that Ray is accusing all liberals
of?

That's nothing, wait until you see his fulminations on the nefarious
machinations of the liberal hang 'em and flog 'em brigade.

[Neolithic]

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:01:34 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:15:57 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
A judge has told a Glasgow pensioner that stopping him going to the pub
was
a
"more meaningful" sentence than a prison term for killing his wife.
Edward Flaherty, 74, was convicted of strangling 69-year-old Ina
Flaherty
with a
tie after she refused to give him money to go out drinking.
Lord Matthews said Flaherty's dementia made him unsuited to prison.
He imposed a year-long restriction of liberty order which will keep him inside
his home during opening hours.
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
At the High Court in Glasgow, Lord Matthews told Flaherty that under normal
circumstances he would have been given a prison sentence in double figures.
He said: "I have read and considered a number of reports from experts.
It
is
plain to me that if I were to impose that sort of sentence you would be released
in a very short time because prison would not be able to cope with your
condition.
The report prepared for the court paints a picture of a man in
significant physical and mental decline
Donald MacLeod
Defence QC
"Sentencing you would just be a token gesture. I am anxious to impose a sentence
that restricts your liberty.
"You still go to the pub where you went with your wife. That must annoy her
relatives.
"Not being able to go there will be a more meaningful disposal than a prison
sentence which will not last long."
During the trial the jury heard that Flaherty said he had no
recollection
of the
moment he throttled his wife of 52 years in April last year.
When asked who killed her, he said: "It must have been me. There are no ghosts
running about the house who would have done that."
Defence QC Donald MacLeod said: "The report prepared for the court
paints
a
picture of a man in significant physical and mental decline.
"There is a clear diagnosis of dementia setting in. It is a progressive
condition and ultimately he will need 24-hour care.
"I am deeply conscious there has been a death here, but this man is very unwell.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this
was
flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7540994.stm
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95
year
old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm...
Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...

Once again a disgusting self-styled conservative contrives to use yet
another tragedy for political capital - and then to compare the sad actions
of an elderly man suffering from serious mental health issues with the
psychopatic mass-murderers of Nazi Germany is plumbing the depths of
depravity.
That 95 year old Nazi wasn't 95 when he did what he did - he was in the
prime of his physical and mental health and he didn't murder one person in a
fit of mental illness - he murdered millions. That 95 year old Nazi lined
up children, thousands of them at a time, stripped them naked, led them to
open pits where they could see what had already happened to others, and
machine-gunned them pitilessly, heartlessly, mercilessly. Then he went on
to the next town, the next village and did it all over again, for years.
Read the fucking articles that you post, make an effort to understand what's
going on, see that the poor man is beyond help, beyond punishment, but not
beyond mercy, pity and understanding.
Stupid conservatives, no thought, no heart - but can really, like feel, for
poor persecuted Nazis.

But, but...isn't it lack of thought that Ray is accusing all liberals
of?

That's nothing, wait until you see his fulminations on the nefarious
machinations of the liberal hang 'em and flog 'em brigade.

Surely you jest good sir.

Neolithic

[Al Nakba]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
A judge has told a Glasgow pensioner that stopping him going to the pub was a
"more meaningful" sentence than a prison term for killing his wife.
Edward Flaherty, 74, was convicted of strangling 69-year-old Ina Flaherty with a
tie after she refused to give him money to go out drinking.
Lord Matthews said Flaherty's dementia made him unsuited to prison.
He imposed a year-long restriction of liberty order which will keep him inside
his home during opening hours.
The pensioner will be tagged and banned from leaving his home in the city's
Drygate area between 1100 and 2300 BST after being found guilty of culpable
homicide.
At the High Court in Glasgow, Lord Matthews told Flaherty that under normal
circumstances he would have been given a prison sentence in double figures.
He said: "I have read and considered a number of reports from experts. It is
plain to me that if I were to impose that sort of sentence you would be released
in a very short time because prison would not be able to cope with your
condition.
        The report prepared for the court paints a picture of a man in
significant physical and mental decline
Donald MacLeod
Defence QC
"Sentencing you would just be a token gesture. I am anxious to impose a sentence
that restricts your liberty.
"You still go to the pub where you went with your wife. That must annoy her
relatives.
"Not being able to go there will be a more meaningful disposal than a prison
sentence which will not last long."
During the trial the jury heard that Flaherty said he had no recollection of the
moment he throttled his wife of 52 years in April last year.
When asked who killed her, he said: "It must have been me. There are no ghosts
running about the house who would have done that."
Defence QC Donald MacLeod said: "The report prepared for the court paints a
picture of a man in significant physical and mental decline.
"There is a clear diagnosis of dementia setting in. It is a progressive
condition and ultimately he will need 24-hour care.
"I am deeply conscious there has been a death here, but this man is very unwell.
"He was always willing to plead guilty to culpable homicide, but this was flatly
rejected by the Crown and that is why a trial was necessary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/75409...
Wonderful sentence...  Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial...  Hmmm...  Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...  
Ray
---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

A remake of an old song.. "Please Don't Be Beastly To the Vermin"..

[unknown]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm... Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?
No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death. The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.

I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.

max.it (the orange cage)

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm... Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?

Bad joke...

Post by unknown
No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death.

No excuse... That's the same as a driver saying he didn't mean to knock down
someone and kill them because nobody sets out from home in a car to do that...

Post by unknown
The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.
I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.
max.it (the orange cage)

The victim gets no justice... NO signal is sent that this is unacceptable
behaviour... He can probably get a pal to bring him all the booze he wants to
his house... It doesn't sound like punishment to me...

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[unknown]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm... Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?

Bad joke...

Post by unknown
No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death.

No excuse... That's the same as a driver saying he didn't mean to knock down
someone and kill them because nobody sets out from home in a car to do that...

Despite your most valiant but fankly poor attempts at distraction, I
must point out that the car driver is in control of his mind.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown
The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.
I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.
max.it (the orange cage)

The victim gets no justice... NO signal is sent that this is unacceptable
behaviour... He can probably get a pal to bring him all the booze he wants to
his house... It doesn't sound like punishment to me...
Ray

The punishment is justified. Who would this signal be sent to?
It would be difficult for anyone who was not dianosed with dementia to
carry out a murder under this defence.
He can probably nip down to an off licence and get booze himself, it
is Glasgow, no shortage of places to buy booze.
Did you notice the times of his curfew, and only banned from one
place.

max.it (the orange cage)

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm... Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?

Bad joke...

Post by unknown
No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death.

No excuse... That's the same as a driver saying he didn't mean to knock down
someone and kill them because nobody sets out from home in a car to do that...

Despite your most valiant but fankly poor attempts at distraction, I
must point out that the car driver is in control of his mind.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown
The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.
I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.
max.it (the orange cage)

The victim gets no justice... NO signal is sent that this is unacceptable
behaviour... He can probably get a pal to bring him all the booze he wants to
his house... It doesn't sound like punishment to me...
Ray

The punishment is justified. Who would this signal be sent to?
It would be difficult for anyone who was not dianosed with dementia to
carry out a murder under this defence.
He can probably nip down to an off licence and get booze himself, it
is Glasgow, no shortage of places to buy booze.
Did you notice the times of his curfew, and only banned from one
place.
max.it (the orange cage)

This to me, seems to be a reward for murder, not a punishment... I understand
your point, but i just don't agree... I'm a nail the bastards to the wall sort
of guy for murder and prisons that are crude and painful for the criminal... My
aim is to try to prevent repeat crimes... If the criminal goes to jail... He
should be so afraid of going back that he will remain on the straight and
narrow... I do not believe in this "restorative justice" liberal nonsense...

Sorry, the man is murderer... He should not be treated like a shoplifter...

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[Sophistry Made Simple]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm...
Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?

Bad joke...

Post by unknown
No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death.

No excuse... That's the same as a driver saying he didn't mean to knock down
someone and kill them because nobody sets out from home in a car to do that...

Despite your most valiant but fankly poor attempts at distraction, I
must point out that the car driver is in control of his mind.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown
The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.
I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.
max.it (the orange cage)

The victim gets no justice... NO signal is sent that this is
unacceptable
behaviour... He can probably get a pal to bring him all the booze he wants to
his house... It doesn't sound like punishment to me...
Ray

The punishment is justified. Who would this signal be sent to?
It would be difficult for anyone who was not dianosed with dementia to
carry out a murder under this defence.
He can probably nip down to an off licence and get booze himself, it
is Glasgow, no shortage of places to buy booze.
Did you notice the times of his curfew, and only banned from one
place.
max.it (the orange cage)

This to me, seems to be a reward for murder, not a punishment... I understand
your point, but i just don't agree... I'm a nail the bastards to the wall sort
of guy for murder and prisons that are crude and painful for the criminal... My
aim is to try to prevent repeat crimes... If the criminal goes to jail... He
should be so afraid of going back that he will remain on the straight and
narrow... I do not believe in this "restorative justice" liberal nonsense...
Sorry, the man is murderer... He should not be treated like a
shoplifter...

I remember Pierrepoint finally realising that capital punishment was futile
simply because it did nothing to deter the people that he tended to hang -
sad squalid little murders committed in fits of passion, insanity or
drunkenness. The real criminals, the real professional criminals, repeat
offenders every one of them, simply didn't do things like that.

Of course, I'm assuming that Ray keeps a special get out jail card for mass
murderers past their shelf life, and of course them that did it for the Old
Sod.

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:57:55 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm...
Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?

Bad joke...

Post by unknown
No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death.

No excuse... That's the same as a driver saying he didn't mean to knock down
someone and kill them because nobody sets out from home in a car to do that...

Despite your most valiant but fankly poor attempts at distraction, I
must point out that the car driver is in control of his mind.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown
The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.
I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.
max.it (the orange cage)

The victim gets no justice... NO signal is sent that this is unacceptable
behaviour... He can probably get a pal to bring him all the booze he wants to
his house... It doesn't sound like punishment to me...
Ray

The punishment is justified. Who would this signal be sent to?
It would be difficult for anyone who was not dianosed with dementia to
carry out a murder under this defence.
He can probably nip down to an off licence and get booze himself, it
is Glasgow, no shortage of places to buy booze.
Did you notice the times of his curfew, and only banned from one
place.
max.it (the orange cage)

This to me, seems to be a reward for murder, not a punishment... I understand
your point, but i just don't agree... I'm a nail the bastards to the wall sort
of guy for murder and prisons that are crude and painful for the criminal... My
aim is to try to prevent repeat crimes... If the criminal goes to jail... He
should be so afraid of going back that he will remain on the straight and
narrow... I do not believe in this "restorative justice" liberal nonsense...
Sorry, the man is murderer... He should not be treated like a shoplifter...

I remember Pierrepoint finally realising that capital punishment was futile
simply because it did nothing to deter the people that he tended to hang -
sad squalid little murders committed in fits of passion, insanity or
drunkenness. The real criminals, the real professional criminals, repeat
offenders every one of them, simply didn't do things like that.
Of course, I'm assuming that Ray keeps a special get out jail card for mass
murderers past their shelf life, and of course them that did it for the Old
Sod.

Child abusers here in America now face Jessica's Law in 42 (or more) States...
That is - first offense - 25 years... No nonsense... Unless your in Vermont
and a few other states where you'll get a slap on the wrist by Liberal judges...

Tell me this is NOT a deterrent to child molesting scum of the earth bastards?

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[William Clark]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:57:55 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm...
Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?

Bad joke...

Post by unknown
No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death.

No excuse... That's the same as a driver saying he didn't mean to knock down
someone and kill them because nobody sets out from home in a car to do that...

Despite your most valiant but fankly poor attempts at distraction, I
must point out that the car driver is in control of his mind.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown
The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.
I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.
max.it (the orange cage)

The victim gets no justice... NO signal is sent that this is unacceptable
behaviour... He can probably get a pal to bring him all the booze he wants to
his house... It doesn't sound like punishment to me...
Ray

The punishment is justified. Who would this signal be sent to?
It would be difficult for anyone who was not dianosed with dementia to
carry out a murder under this defence.
He can probably nip down to an off licence and get booze himself, it
is Glasgow, no shortage of places to buy booze.
Did you notice the times of his curfew, and only banned from one
place.
max.it (the orange cage)

This to me, seems to be a reward for murder, not a punishment... I understand
your point, but i just don't agree... I'm a nail the bastards to the wall sort
of guy for murder and prisons that are crude and painful for the criminal... My
aim is to try to prevent repeat crimes... If the criminal goes to jail... He
should be so afraid of going back that he will remain on the straight and
narrow... I do not believe in this "restorative justice" liberal nonsense...
Sorry, the man is murderer... He should not be treated like a shoplifter...

I remember Pierrepoint finally realising that capital punishment was futile
simply because it did nothing to deter the people that he tended to hang -
sad squalid little murders committed in fits of passion, insanity or
drunkenness. The real criminals, the real professional criminals, repeat
offenders every one of them, simply didn't do things like that.
Of course, I'm assuming that Ray keeps a special get out jail card for mass
murderers past their shelf life, and of course them that did it for the Old
Sod.

Child abusers here in America now face Jessica's Law in 42 (or more) States...
That is - first offense - 25 years... No nonsense... Unless your in Vermont
and a few other states where you'll get a slap on the wrist by Liberal judges...
Tell me this is NOT a deterrent to child molesting scum of the earth bastards?
Ray

Produce some statistics that show it is. Go on - I dare you.

William Clark

[Sophistry Made Simple]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:57:55 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial...
Hmmm...
Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?

Bad joke...

Post by unknown
No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death.

No excuse... That's the same as a driver saying he didn't mean to knock down
someone and kill them because nobody sets out from home in a car to do that...

Despite your most valiant but fankly poor attempts at distraction, I
must point out that the car driver is in control of his mind.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown
The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.
I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.
max.it (the orange cage)

The victim gets no justice... NO signal is sent that this is unacceptable
behaviour... He can probably get a pal to bring him all the booze he wants to
his house... It doesn't sound like punishment to me...
Ray

The punishment is justified. Who would this signal be sent to?
It would be difficult for anyone who was not dianosed with dementia to
carry out a murder under this defence.
He can probably nip down to an off licence and get booze himself, it
is Glasgow, no shortage of places to buy booze.
Did you notice the times of his curfew, and only banned from one
place.
max.it (the orange cage)

This to me, seems to be a reward for murder, not a punishment... I understand
your point, but i just don't agree... I'm a nail the bastards to the
wall
sort
of guy for murder and prisons that are crude and painful for the criminal... My
aim is to try to prevent repeat crimes... If the criminal goes to
jail...
He
should be so afraid of going back that he will remain on the straight and
narrow... I do not believe in this "restorative justice" liberal nonsense...
Sorry, the man is murderer... He should not be treated like a shoplifter...

I remember Pierrepoint finally realising that capital punishment was futile
simply because it did nothing to deter the people that he tended to hang -
sad squalid little murders committed in fits of passion, insanity or
drunkenness. The real criminals, the real professional criminals, repeat
offenders every one of them, simply didn't do things like that.
Of course, I'm assuming that Ray keeps a special get out jail card for mass
murderers past their shelf life, and of course them that did it for the Old
Sod.

Child abusers here in America now face Jessica's Law in 42 (or more) States...
That is - first offense - 25 years... No nonsense... Unless your in Vermont
and a few other states where you'll get a slap on the wrist by Liberal judges...
Tell me this is NOT a deterrent to child molesting scum of the earth bastards?

Unless all child abuse has stopped then it's not a deterrent.

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:40:01 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:57:55 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial...
Hmmm...
Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?

Bad joke...

Post by unknown
No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death.

No excuse... That's the same as a driver saying he didn't mean to knock down
someone and kill them because nobody sets out from home in a car to do that...

Despite your most valiant but fankly poor attempts at distraction, I
must point out that the car driver is in control of his mind.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown
The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.
I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.
max.it (the orange cage)

The victim gets no justice... NO signal is sent that this is unacceptable
behaviour... He can probably get a pal to bring him all the booze he wants to
his house... It doesn't sound like punishment to me...
Ray

The punishment is justified. Who would this signal be sent to?
It would be difficult for anyone who was not dianosed with dementia to
carry out a murder under this defence.
He can probably nip down to an off licence and get booze himself, it
is Glasgow, no shortage of places to buy booze.
Did you notice the times of his curfew, and only banned from one
place.
max.it (the orange cage)

This to me, seems to be a reward for murder, not a punishment... I understand
your point, but i just don't agree... I'm a nail the bastards to the
wall
sort
of guy for murder and prisons that are crude and painful for the criminal... My
aim is to try to prevent repeat crimes... If the criminal goes to
jail...
He
should be so afraid of going back that he will remain on the straight and
narrow... I do not believe in this "restorative justice" liberal nonsense...
Sorry, the man is murderer... He should not be treated like a shoplifter...

I remember Pierrepoint finally realising that capital punishment was futile
simply because it did nothing to deter the people that he tended to hang -
sad squalid little murders committed in fits of passion, insanity or
drunkenness. The real criminals, the real professional criminals, repeat
offenders every one of them, simply didn't do things like that.
Of course, I'm assuming that Ray keeps a special get out jail card for mass
murderers past their shelf life, and of course them that did it for the Old
Sod.

Child abusers here in America now face Jessica's Law in 42 (or more) States...
That is - first offense - 25 years... No nonsense... Unless your in Vermont
and a few other states where you'll get a slap on the wrist by Liberal judges...
Tell me this is NOT a deterrent to child molesting scum of the earth bastards?

Unless all child abuse has stopped then it's not a deterrent.

We have no way of knowing... But if every child abuser knew he faced an
automatic 25 years in jail on first conviction, I'm sure that would make him/her
think twice... Before destroying the soul of a child...

What's your solution? Restorative justice? Perhaps community service at a Boy
Scout camp?

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[Sophistry Made Simple]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:57:55 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"

Post by Sophistry Made Simple

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial...
Hmmm...
Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?

Bad joke...

Post by unknown
No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death.

No excuse... That's the same as a driver saying he didn't mean to knock down
someone and kill them because nobody sets out from home in a car to do that...

Despite your most valiant but fankly poor attempts at distraction, I
must point out that the car driver is in control of his mind.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown
The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.
I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.
max.it (the orange cage)

The victim gets no justice... NO signal is sent that this is unacceptable
behaviour... He can probably get a pal to bring him all the booze he wants to
his house... It doesn't sound like punishment to me...
Ray

The punishment is justified. Who would this signal be sent to?
It would be difficult for anyone who was not dianosed with dementia to
carry out a murder under this defence.
He can probably nip down to an off licence and get booze himself, it
is Glasgow, no shortage of places to buy booze.
Did you notice the times of his curfew, and only banned from one
place.
max.it (the orange cage)

This to me, seems to be a reward for murder, not a punishment... I understand
your point, but i just don't agree... I'm a nail the bastards to the
wall
sort
of guy for murder and prisons that are crude and painful for the criminal... My
aim is to try to prevent repeat crimes... If the criminal goes to
jail...
He
should be so afraid of going back that he will remain on the straight and
narrow... I do not believe in this "restorative justice" liberal nonsense...
Sorry, the man is murderer... He should not be treated like a shoplifter...

I remember Pierrepoint finally realising that capital punishment was futile
simply because it did nothing to deter the people that he tended to hang -
sad squalid little murders committed in fits of passion, insanity or
drunkenness. The real criminals, the real professional criminals, repeat
offenders every one of them, simply didn't do things like that.
Of course, I'm assuming that Ray keeps a special get out jail card for mass
murderers past their shelf life, and of course them that did it for the Old
Sod.

Child abusers here in America now face Jessica's Law in 42 (or more) States...
That is - first offense - 25 years... No nonsense... Unless your in Vermont
and a few other states where you'll get a slap on the wrist by Liberal judges...

Oh right, and you're saying that they should be let off if they get away
with it for long enough. The really old perverts should be let away with
their crimes if it's long enough ago. Right.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Tell me this is NOT a deterrent to child molesting scum of the earth bastards?

Right, and it doesn't matter how many children were murdered by this man
because it was so long ago. Come back Cromwell, all is forgiven.

[unknown]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm... Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?

Bad joke...

Post by unknown
No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death.

No excuse... That's the same as a driver saying he didn't mean to knock down
someone and kill them because nobody sets out from home in a car to do that...

Despite your most valiant but fankly poor attempts at distraction, I
must point out that the car driver is in control of his mind.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown
The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.
I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.
max.it (the orange cage)

The victim gets no justice... NO signal is sent that this is unacceptable
behaviour... He can probably get a pal to bring him all the booze he wants to
his house... It doesn't sound like punishment to me...
Ray

The punishment is justified. Who would this signal be sent to?
It would be difficult for anyone who was not dianosed with dementia to
carry out a murder under this defence.
He can probably nip down to an off licence and get booze himself, it
is Glasgow, no shortage of places to buy booze.
Did you notice the times of his curfew, and only banned from one
place.
max.it (the orange cage)

This to me, seems to be a reward for murder, not a punishment... I understand
your point, but i just don't agree... I'm a nail the bastards to the wall sort
of guy for murder and prisons that are crude and painful for the criminal... My
aim is to try to prevent repeat crimes... If the criminal goes to jail... He
should be so afraid of going back that he will remain on the straight and
narrow... I do not believe in this "restorative justice" liberal nonsense...
Sorry, the man is murderer... He should not be treated like a shoplifter...
Ray

There was no murder!! fucksake Ray read the bloody story.
Dementia is a horrible thing to deal with. The wifey probably had to
take him to the pub each day, to sit over 2 pints of heavy for 12
hours. She loved her husband so she looked after him and gave him the
chance of some communal recreation before he forgot everything.
I would like to see at what time the old guy wanted to visit the pub
on the day or night that he killed his wife.

Ray: I have been reading and responding to your posts for 10 years.
You have been right wing, racist, you have supported killers, bombers,
and terrorists. At the same time you have castigated every victim of a
news story that you thought you could make a meal of. From cheering
the murderer of young ladies in England to denouncing the terms of an
old senile man's concivtion.

The fact that you ply your trade as a web designer for Christian
organisations makes you the most disgusting little, short leg, tully
eyed dwarf cunt on the face of God's grey earth.

We all now when the wifey has chucked you out again.
Limerick droop?

max.it (the orange cage)

[David C Jones]

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial...
Hmmm... Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?

Bad joke...

Post by unknown
No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death.

No excuse... That's the same as a driver saying he didn't mean to knock down
someone and kill them because nobody sets out from home in a car to do that...

Despite your most valiant but fankly poor attempts at distraction, I
must point out that the car driver is in control of his mind.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown
The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.
I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.
max.it (the orange cage)

The victim gets no justice... NO signal is sent that this is unacceptable
behaviour... He can probably get a pal to bring him all the booze he wants to
his house... It doesn't sound like punishment to me...
Ray

The punishment is justified. Who would this signal be sent to?
It would be difficult for anyone who was not dianosed with dementia to
carry out a murder under this defence.
He can probably nip down to an off licence and get booze himself, it
is Glasgow, no shortage of places to buy booze.
Did you notice the times of his curfew, and only banned from one
place.
max.it (the orange cage)

This to me, seems to be a reward for murder, not a punishment... I understand
your point, but i just don't agree... I'm a nail the bastards to the wall sort
of guy for murder and prisons that are crude and painful for the criminal... My
aim is to try to prevent repeat crimes... If the criminal goes to jail... He
should be so afraid of going back that he will remain on the straight and
narrow... I do not believe in this "restorative justice" liberal nonsense...
Sorry, the man is murderer... He should not be treated like a
shoplifter...
Ray

There was no murder!! fucksake Ray read the bloody story.
Dementia is a horrible thing to deal with. The wifey probably had to
take him to the pub each day, to sit over 2 pints of heavy for 12
hours. She loved her husband so she looked after him and gave him the
chance of some communal recreation before he forgot everything.
I would like to see at what time the old guy wanted to visit the pub
on the day or night that he killed his wife.
Ray: I have been reading and responding to your posts for 10 years.
You have been right wing, racist, you have supported killers, bombers,
and terrorists. At the same time you have castigated every victim of a
news story that you thought you could make a meal of. From cheering
the murderer of young ladies in England to denouncing the terms of an
old senile man's concivtion.
The fact that you ply your trade as a web designer for Christian
organisations makes you the most disgusting little, short leg, tully
eyed dwarf cunt on the face of God's grey earth.
We all now when the wifey has chucked you out again.
Limerick droop?

LMAORATF

Post by unknown
max.it (the orange cage)

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm... Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?

Bad joke...

Post by unknown
No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death.

No excuse... That's the same as a driver saying he didn't mean to knock down
someone and kill them because nobody sets out from home in a car to do that...

Despite your most valiant but fankly poor attempts at distraction, I
must point out that the car driver is in control of his mind.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown
The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.
I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.
max.it (the orange cage)

The victim gets no justice... NO signal is sent that this is unacceptable
behaviour... He can probably get a pal to bring him all the booze he wants to
his house... It doesn't sound like punishment to me...
Ray

The punishment is justified. Who would this signal be sent to?
It would be difficult for anyone who was not dianosed with dementia to
carry out a murder under this defence.
He can probably nip down to an off licence and get booze himself, it
is Glasgow, no shortage of places to buy booze.
Did you notice the times of his curfew, and only banned from one
place.
max.it (the orange cage)

This to me, seems to be a reward for murder, not a punishment... I understand
your point, but i just don't agree... I'm a nail the bastards to the wall sort
of guy for murder and prisons that are crude and painful for the criminal... My
aim is to try to prevent repeat crimes... If the criminal goes to jail... He
should be so afraid of going back that he will remain on the straight and
narrow... I do not believe in this "restorative justice" liberal nonsense...
Sorry, the man is murderer... He should not be treated like a shoplifter...
Ray

There was no murder!! fucksake Ray read the bloody story.
Dementia is a horrible thing to deal with. The wifey probably had to
take him to the pub each day, to sit over 2 pints of heavy for 12
hours. She loved her husband so she looked after him and gave him the
chance of some communal recreation before he forgot everything.
I would like to see at what time the old guy wanted to visit the pub
on the day or night that he killed his wife.
Ray: I have been reading and responding to your posts for 10 years.
You have been right wing, racist, you have supported killers, bombers,
and terrorists. At the same time you have castigated every victim of a
news story that you thought you could make a meal of. From cheering
the murderer of young ladies in England to denouncing the terms of an
old senile man's concivtion.
The fact that you ply your trade as a web designer for Christian
organisations makes you the most disgusting little, short leg, tully
eyed dwarf cunt on the face of God's grey earth.
We all now when the wifey has chucked you out again.
Limerick droop?
max.it (the orange cage)

Bye Max... If you can't debate the issues like an adult, I can't be bothered to
engage you in that debate...

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

[unknown]

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm... Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?

Bad joke...

Post by unknown
No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death.

No excuse... That's the same as a driver saying he didn't mean to knock down
someone and kill them because nobody sets out from home in a car to do that...

Despite your most valiant but fankly poor attempts at distraction, I
must point out that the car driver is in control of his mind.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown
The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.
I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.
max.it (the orange cage)

The victim gets no justice... NO signal is sent that this is unacceptable
behaviour... He can probably get a pal to bring him all the booze he wants to
his house... It doesn't sound like punishment to me...
Ray

The punishment is justified. Who would this signal be sent to?
It would be difficult for anyone who was not dianosed with dementia to
carry out a murder under this defence.
He can probably nip down to an off licence and get booze himself, it
is Glasgow, no shortage of places to buy booze.
Did you notice the times of his curfew, and only banned from one
place.
max.it (the orange cage)

This to me, seems to be a reward for murder, not a punishment... I understand
your point, but i just don't agree... I'm a nail the bastards to the wall sort
of guy for murder and prisons that are crude and painful for the criminal... My
aim is to try to prevent repeat crimes... If the criminal goes to jail... He
should be so afraid of going back that he will remain on the straight and
narrow... I do not believe in this "restorative justice" liberal nonsense...
Sorry, the man is murderer... He should not be treated like a shoplifter...
Ray

There was no murder!! fucksake Ray read the bloody story.
Dementia is a horrible thing to deal with. The wifey probably had to
take him to the pub each day, to sit over 2 pints of heavy for 12
hours. She loved her husband so she looked after him and gave him the
chance of some communal recreation before he forgot everything.
I would like to see at what time the old guy wanted to visit the pub
on the day or night that he killed his wife.
Ray: I have been reading and responding to your posts for 10 years.
You have been right wing, racist, you have supported killers, bombers,
and terrorists. At the same time you have castigated every victim of a
news story that you thought you could make a meal of. From cheering
the murderer of young ladies in England to denouncing the terms of an
old senile man's concivtion.
The fact that you ply your trade as a web designer for Christian
organisations makes you the most disgusting little, short leg, tully
eyed dwarf cunt on the face of God's grey earth.
We all now when the wifey has chucked you out again.
Limerick droop?
max.it (the orange cage)

Bye Max... If you can't debate the issues like an adult, I can't be bothered to
engage you in that debate...
Ray

You are running away Ray. Defend yourself like a man. You crawl and
creep digging up stories to make a sensation. Tell me that you don't.
You defend some murders on your twisted sick style of morality, tell
me you don't do that either. You would say anything if you thought
that it might help someone to like you just a little bit. You are
fucking rank piss poor at it too aren't you?

There is nothing to debate with you Ray, you are always wrong. Your
roll in life is to be a sad mouthy little cunt with no friends, who is
the focus of abuse from the people whose lives you stain.

I remember well what you had to say about Steve Wright, and I'm sure
other readers will also remember. Right enough you got a good response
to that post, all negative...again.



max.it (the orange cage)

[Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>]

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Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

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Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm... Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?

Bad joke...

Post by unknown
No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death.

No excuse... That's the same as a driver saying he didn't mean to knock down
someone and kill them because nobody sets out from home in a car to do that...

Despite your most valiant but fankly poor attempts at distraction, I
must point out that the car driver is in control of his mind.

Post by Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>

Post by unknown
The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.
I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.
max.it (the orange cage)

The victim gets no justice... NO signal is sent that this is unacceptable
behaviour... He can probably get a pal to bring him all the booze he wants to
his house... It doesn't sound like punishment to me...
Ray

The punishment is justified. Who would this signal be sent to?
It would be difficult for anyone who was not dianosed with dementia to
carry out a murder under this defence.
He can probably nip down to an off licence and get booze himself, it
is Glasgow, no shortage of places to buy booze.
Did you notice the times of his curfew, and only banned from one
place.
max.it (the orange cage)

This to me, seems to be a reward for murder, not a punishment... I understand
your point, but i just don't agree... I'm a nail the bastards to the wall sort
of guy for murder and prisons that are crude and painful for the criminal... My
aim is to try to prevent repeat crimes... If the criminal goes to jail... He
should be so afraid of going back that he will remain on the straight and
narrow... I do not believe in this "restorative justice" liberal nonsense...
Sorry, the man is murderer... He should not be treated like a shoplifter...
Ray

There was no murder!! fucksake Ray read the bloody story.
Dementia is a horrible thing to deal with. The wifey probably had to
take him to the pub each day, to sit over 2 pints of heavy for 12
hours. She loved her husband so she looked after him and gave him the
chance of some communal recreation before he forgot everything.
I would like to see at what time the old guy wanted to visit the pub
on the day or night that he killed his wife.
Ray: I have been reading and responding to your posts for 10 years.
You have been right wing, racist, you have supported killers, bombers,
and terrorists. At the same time you have castigated every victim of a
news story that you thought you could make a meal of. From cheering
the murderer of young ladies in England to denouncing the terms of an
old senile man's concivtion.
The fact that you ply your trade as a web designer for Christian
organisations makes you the most disgusting little, short leg, tully
eyed dwarf cunt on the face of God's grey earth.
We all now when the wifey has chucked you out again.
Limerick droop?
max.it (the orange cage)

Bye Max... If you can't debate the issues like an adult, I can't be bothered to
engage you in that debate...
Ray

You are running away Ray. Defend yourself like a man. You crawl and
creep digging up stories to make a sensation. Tell me that you don't.

Your attacking me personally and your still doing it, how the hell did you
expect me to respond? I'm trying to discuss the damn issues and all your doing
it throwing personal shite at me... Now I have pretty thick skin having been
here a while, but you take the biscuit... There is only so much shite I'll take
before I decide the debate is over... Keep to the issues!!!

Ray


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Wonderful sentence... Now where did I put that article about that 95 year old
being charged with being a Nazi and has to go to full trial... Hmmm... Wonder
if he'll be banned from a pub...
Ray

Fucksake Ray, the old guy had already served 52 years, sure didn't he
deserve a freebie?

Bad joke...

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No joking, he admitted that he was resposible for his wifes death, the
medics decided that he was not aware that his actions at the time
would result in her death.

No excuse... That's the same as a driver saying he didn't mean to knock down
someone and kill them because nobody sets out from home in a car to do that...

Despite your most valiant but fankly poor attempts at distraction, I
must point out that the car driver is in control of his mind.

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The court decided that he was not a threat
to any other person and that reform by way of the prison system would
not be in the best interest of the old guy.
I think the judge was savvy enough to handle such a delicate case in
this way. The old lad is bound indoors, if his condition is as
reported then it will not be long before he will have to be taken away
for care. Even if his condition did not deteriorate, it is possible
that at times he would not recognise the relitives of his victim in
the social enviroment of the pub. This could lead to their distress
and this seems to be the issue that the judge has made his decision
upon.
I think this is a good decision that will not burden either the system
nor the relatives of the victim.
max.it (the orange cage)

The victim gets no justice... NO signal is sent that this is unacceptable
behaviour... He can probably get a pal to bring him all the booze he wants to
his house... It doesn't sound like punishment to me...
Ray

The punishment is justified. Who would this signal be sent to?
It would be difficult for anyone who was not dianosed with dementia to
carry out a murder under this defence.
He can probably nip down to an off licence and get booze himself, it
is Glasgow, no shortage of places to buy booze.
Did you notice the times of his curfew, and only banned from one
place.
max.it (the orange cage)

This to me, seems to be a reward for murder, not a punishment... I understand
your point, but i just don't agree... I'm a nail the bastards to the wall sort
of guy for murder and prisons that are crude and painful for the criminal... My
aim is to try to prevent repeat crimes... If the criminal goes to jail... He
should be so afraid of going back that he will remain on the straight and
narrow... I do not believe in this "restorative justice" liberal nonsense...
Sorry, the man is murderer... He should not be treated like a shoplifter...
Ray

There was no murder!! fucksake Ray read the bloody story.
Dementia is a horrible thing to deal with. The wifey probably had to
take him to the pub each day, to sit over 2 pints of heavy for 12
hours. She loved her husband so she looked after him and gave him the
chance of some communal recreation before he forgot everything.
I would like to see at what time the old guy wanted to visit the pub
on the day or night that he killed his wife.
Ray: I have been reading and responding to your posts for 10 years.
You have been right wing, racist, you have supported killers, bombers,
and terrorists. At the same time you have castigated every victim of a
news story that you thought you could make a meal of. From cheering
the murderer of young ladies in England to denouncing the terms of an
old senile man's concivtion.
The fact that you ply your trade as a web designer for Christian
organisations makes you the most disgusting little, short leg, tully
eyed dwarf cunt on the face of God's grey earth.
We all now when the wifey has chucked you out again.
Limerick droop?
max.it (the orange cage)

Bye Max... If you can't debate the issues like an adult, I can't be bothered to
engage you in that debate...
Ray

You are running away Ray. Defend yourself like a man. You crawl and
creep digging up stories to make a sensation. Tell me that you don't.

Your attacking me personally and your still doing it, how the hell did you
expect me to respond? I'm trying to discuss the damn issues and all your doing
it throwing personal shite at me... Now I have pretty thick skin having been
here a while, but you take the biscuit... There is only so much shite I'll take
before I decide the debate is over... Keep to the issues!!!
Ray

The issue is Ray, that while you are crying about a senile elderly man
not being given enough punishment, you recently posted your happiness
about the "Five dead whores" in Middlesbourogh.
As I see it, your statement above about all murderers seems just a
whole lot like hypocrisy to me.

max.it (the orange cage)