Post by The HighlanderPost by Whack all imperialistsProof that some *ngurlangers are no more than pathetic scumbags. The
Volunteers of the brave RA should really have finished the job. Be
prepared to use the last saved airline puke bag if you choose to watch
http://youtu.be/IBGOTv85wu4
Well, I'm glad you posted this Seumas, because as part of Hate
Ireland Week, I was planning to post a complete discription of how
Ireland and especially the IRA collaborated completely in persecuting
the Irish Jews, led by the American traitor, de Valera, who of course
cozied up to Adolf Hitler because he didn't have the brains to know
that Hitler would have chopped him and his government the moment
Britain was beaten and Ireland invaded to make sure the Americans
couldn't use it as an air base to attack Germany.
Highlander let me educate again with some things called facts. De
Valeras speech at the end is especially relevant.
you have posted drivel, Daniel O'Connell who insisted the British law
"De Judaismo" be repealed.
The only instance of intolerence to Jews was the Limerick Pogrom. The
proud people of Cork welcomed them into their homes, opened Church
halls and fed the dislodged refugees. As a result many remained.
Gerald Goldberg, a son of this migration, became Lord Mayor of Cork.
Robert Briscoe an Irish jew served in Dáil Éireann for 38 years and
his son Ben a furth 37. Two terms are Mayor of Dublin. He faught in
the Anglo Irish war, a member of Sinn Fein and was accompanied de
Valera to America.
"an aberration in an otherwise almost perfect history of Ireland and
its treatment of the Jews".
- Joe Briscoe son of Robert Briscoe
"The Irish Constitution of 1937 specifically gives constitutional
protection to Jews. This was considered to be a necessary component to
the constitution by De Valera because of the treatment of Jews
elsewhere in Europe at the time".
- In Search of Ireland's Heroes, Carmel McCaffrey
"However, de Valera over-ruled the Department of Justice and the 150
refugee Jewish children were brought to Ireland in 1948. Earlier, in
1946, 100 Jewish children from Poland were bought to Clonyn Castle in
County Meath by a London Jewish charity.[14] In 1952 he again had to
overrule the Department of Justice to admit five Orthodox families who
were fleeing the Communists. In 1966, the Dublin Jewish community
arranged the planting and dedication of the Éamon de Valera Forest in
Israel, near Nazareth, in recognition of his consistent support for
Ireland's Jews"
- The Jews of Ireland by Robert Tracy
Perhaps a final word is best left to a prominent Jew from Cork, a
descendant of the Limerick diaspora, who was interviewed on Irish
television in the 1970s as part of a series examining the treatment of
minorities in the Republic. Asked if he had personally experienced
prejudice, he replied, "Oh yes. Yes indeed," and then, after a pause,
added, "In Dublin, you know, they always have the knife out for the
Corkman."
Post by The HighlanderMost British people are not aware that, for example, whenever pictures
of concentration camps were shown in Irish cinemas at the end of the
war, the audiences usually cheered and stamped their feet in approval
of the ghastly deaths they saw on screen.
Where and when did this happen?
Your post above tells me
Post by The Highlanderthat my fears of bad taste were unfounded - with you it's all or
nothing.
There were of course Irishmen who understood what a threat Hitler
represented, who joined up with the British to fight and keep Hitler
away from our shores. Their reward when the war was ended was to be
treated as traitors by their fellow Irishmen, who are usual couldn't
see past the end of their illiterate, bigoted noses.
Again this is not true. First very few of the tens of throusands of
Irish men who join British forces very few returned to Ireland. A
further 200,000 left to work in supporting the war effort in factories
in England. This is not counting those who joined other foreign
forces. Thats a lot of people considering Irelands population was on
just over 4 million in the 1936 elections. Most of these emigrants
never returned. Most that did return where largely treated with
indifference and very few with hostility. Only those who deserted
Irish forces (around 4000) to join British forces suffered additional
punishment.
Post by The HighlanderI'm not going to post details of how badly the Jews were treated by
the Irish, or of de Valera's gesture in signing a condolence book at
the German Embassy following Hitler's cowardly death by his own hand.
De Valera's signing the book of condolences was in line with his
policy of neutrality. Sir John Maffey, the then British
Representative, commented that de Valera's actions were "unwise but
mathematically consistent".
Post by The HighlanderEven de Valera must have understood that a German victory in Britain
would have meant Ireland's occupation by the Nazis. The idea that the
Nazis would have treated the Irish any better than they treated the
Poles was a fantasy and the Irish would have found out, too late, that
they had been suckered into become a part of Greater Germany and those
fit enough to carry a rifle would have found themselves dying for the
Fuehrer on the Russian Front. The fact that the Irish were never told
how close they were to being occupied and very likely conscripted or
worked to death in Hitler's slave camps, speaks to the dishonesty of
de Valera when it came to the welfare pf the Irish people. The reality
is that by the end of the war, the British and de Valera were
collaborating fully in keeping Germans agents out of
Ireland.
Its a bit strange how a nation who occupies by force a foreign
country, for 800 years, after repeated rebellions is forced through
war to partition the country, resulting in civil war and starts the
decolonisation process. Then ends up in not 1 but 2 world wars,
request the country they occupied and still occupied part of to become
their allies. Not only that they actually imprisoned and had that
countries then leader on death row. The populationof Ireland was half
of what it was 100 years beforehand due to that British misrule and
you expect the Irish to be just worried by the Nazis, it was the
British had already done the genocide thing in Ireland. di you really
expect De Valera to risk more British occupation.
So lets put the facts down not wild allegation. Ireland did play a
role in WW II while keeping its neutral status.
1. The Irish government secretly aided the Allied side; for example,
the timing of D-Day was decided thanks to weather reports supplied by
Ireland which told of incoming weather conditions from the Atlantic.
2. The Irish government also allowed British planes to fly from a base
at Castle Archdale on Lough Erne in County Fermanagh (part of the six
northern counties which had remained within the United Kingdom) across
Donegal to the Atlantic. The twenty mile strip, often called "the
Donegal corridor" was heavily travelled by aircraft searching for
German surface ships and U-boats. A plane from the base in Fermanagh
spotted the Bismarck, which was later sunk by the Royal Navy.
3. The Irish government permitted the German Ambassador Eduard Hempel
to maintain a radio transmitter which was used to make reports on
weather, troop movements, and the effects of bombing raids on Britain
to Germany until 1943 when the radio transmitter was shut down.
4. A mechanism was devised to allow Allied airmen who crashed in Free
State territory to be returned to duty across the border. A fairly
spurious distinction was established between combatant airmen on
"operational" and "non-operational" flights, with practically all
Allied airmen who came into Irish hands being judged to be on "non-
operational" flights, while German airmen were judged to be on
"operational" flights, and thus interned for the duration of the war.
5. Roughly 45,000 Irish Free State men voluntarily joined the Allied
forces (including Patrick Clancy and his brother, Tom Clancy, both of
whom, ironically had also been IRA volunteers) without interference
from the Irish government (which had prohibited Irishmen from entering
the Spanish Civil War, some years earlier).
etc etc.
"The sense of envelopment, which might at any moment turn to
strangulation, lay heavy upon us. We had only the northwestern
approach between Ulster and Scotland through which to bring in the
means of life and to send out the forces of war. Owing to the action
of Mr. de Valera, so much at variance with the temper and instinct of
thousands of southern Irishmen, who hastened to the battlefront to
prove their ancient valor, the approaches which the southern Irish
ports and airfields could so easily have guarded were closed by the
hostile aircraft and U-boats.
This was indeed a deadly moment in our life, and if it had not been
for the loyalty and friendship of Northern Ireland we should have been
forced to come to close quarters with Mr. de Valera or perish forever
from the earth. However, with a restraint and poise to which, I say,
history will find few parallels, we never laid a violent hand upon
them, which at times would have been quite easy and quite natural, and
left the de Valera Government to frolic with the German and later with
the Japanese representatives to their heart's content."
- Churchill at the end of WW II
In response came what many consider to be De Valeras finest speech.
"It is indeed fortunate that Britain's necessity did not reach the
point when Mr. Churchill would have invaded Ireland. All credit to him
that he successfully resisted the temptation which, I have not doubt,
many times assailed him in his difficulties and to which I freely
admit many leaders might have easily succumbed. It is indeed hard for
the strong to be just to the weak, but acting justly always has its
rewards.
By resisting his temptation in this instance, Mr. Churchill, instead
of adding another horrid chapter to the already bloodstained record of
the relations between England and this country, has advanced the cause
of international morality an important step - one of the most
important, indeed, that can be taken on the road to the establishment
of any sure basis for peace. . .
Mr. Churchill is proud of Britain's stand alone, after France had
fallen and before America entered the War.
Could he not find in his heart the generosity to acknowledge that
there is a small nation that stood alone not for one year or two, but
for several hundred years against aggression; that endured
spoliations, famines, massacres in endless succession; that was
clubbed many times into insensibility, but that each time on returning
to consciousness took up the fight anew; a small nation that could
never be got to accept defeat and has never surrendered her soul?
Mr. Churchill is justly proud of his nation's perseverance against
heavy odds. But we in this island are still prouder of our people's
perseverance for freedom through all the centuries. We, of our time,
have played our part in the perseverance, and we have pledged
ourselves to the dead generations who have preserved intact for us
this glorious heritage, that we, too, will strive to be faithful to
the end, and pass on this tradition unblemished."
